[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

They said arista,the cuts and austerity measures they would be putting in place had to be done in order to ensure that the deficit was all but cleared by 2014/15 otherwise that would be disastrous for the UK if it wasn't.
Adding that they had to take these measures also in order to combat anything that may surface from the Eurozone as to problems.

They cannot have it all ways,also if markets and planning don't go the way that is hoped, then they should have had a plan b.
A plan b to ensure that if their policies were going to fail as badly as they clearly have as to the deficit, then those most vulnerable were in fact even more protected, rather than hammering continuously even more by their failing heartless and severe policies.

Yes We all know that.
But interest Rates have stayed down

Its not easy to change
as so much has changed in money terms.



But Ed Balls
is a Nutter
no one wants him in charge


And Millions Do Not want YOUR Ed.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes We all know that.
But interest Rates have stayed down

Its not easy to change
as so much has changed in money terms.



But Ed Balls
is a Nutter
no one wants him in charge


And Millions Do Not want YOUR Ed.

more don't want that snake cameron I bet!

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

more don't want that snake cameron I bet!

No you are wrong
Every News has Reported
even to his face , today
said they do not want Your Ed


Watch CH4HDNews now

[arista]

Wow Jon Snow on Ch4HD news
just Ripped Ed apart.


No way is he a PM

[rubymoo]

No matter who gets in, we'll still have the deficit.

David would've been a better labour leader, Ed just doesn't seem up to the job.

[arista]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

No matter who gets in, we'll still have the deficit.

David would've been a better labour leader, Ed just doesn't seem up to the job.

Bang On Right

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by arista

Bang On Right

I am a labour girl but I think a lot of people just don't have confidence in him, I don't know how he beat his brother.

My dad says he has the Kinnock effect, not many people like him!

[arista]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

I am a labour girl but I think a lot of people just don't have confidence in him, I don't know how he beat his brother.

My dad says he has the Kinnock effect, not many people like him!

Very True

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes We all know that.
But interest Rates have stayed down

Its not easy to change
as so much has changed in money terms.



But Ed Balls
is a Nutter
no one wants him in charge


And Millions Do Not want YOUR Ed.

Well even more don't want your David since for over 3 years now Labour has had a lead in the polls and I think that lead is underestimated too.

Only 37% of voters polled think Cameron is a good PM and he is the one already in the job for goodness sake.
So nearly two thirds haven't liked what he has been like as PM either.

When it comes to nutters,(well no I won't use that word as I don't like it),
When it comes to incompetence then George Osborne has few equals.

Since he has had to downgrade his forecasts every year since taking the job as Chancellor until recently.
Anyone, anywhere who got their forecasts figures and planning as wrong as he has over near 4 years, in any other industry would have been out of the job sharpish.

[anne666]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

They said arista,the cuts and austerity measures they would be putting in place had to be done in order to ensure that the deficit was all but cleared by 2014/15 otherwise that would be disastrous for the UK if it wasn't.
Adding that they had to take these measures also in order to combat anything that may surface from the Eurozone as to problems.

They cannot have it all ways,also if markets and planning don't go the way that is hoped, then they should have had a plan b.
A plan b to ensure that if their policies were going to fail as badly as they clearly have as to the deficit, then those most vulnerable were in fact even more protected, rather than hammering continuously even more by their failing heartless and severe policies.

Do you have a link for the BIB? Of course Labour didn't have to have any strategy for the record breaking debt they left behind. They seem to aim to break their record every time. As usual that was down to the Tories and history carries on repeating itself. As it will when they get back into Government. Put you in power, how would you have handled it? The bedroom tax was a Labour idea which they will keep. In that mountainous debt there was nothing spent on replenishing council housing stock. We did have many more civil servants, which we didn't need of course.

http://afroml.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03...bour-idea.html
http://leonduveen.mycouncillor.org.u...e-bedroom-tax/
http://brightgreenscotland.org/index...s-bedroom-tax/

[anne666]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

I am a labour girl but I think a lot of people just don't have confidence in him, I don't know how he beat his brother.

My dad says he has the Kinnock effect, not many people like him!

Kinnock, Tony Blair, take your pick. He's an idiot.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by anne666

Do you have a link for the BIB? Of course Labour didn't have to have any strategy for the record breaking debt they left behind. They seem to aim to break their record every time. As usual that was down to the Tories and history carries on repeating itself. As it will when they get back into Government. Put you in power, how would you have handled it? The bedroom tax was a Labour idea which they will keep. In that mountainous debt there was nothing spent on replenishing council housing stock. We did have many more civil servants, which we didn't need of course.

http://afroml.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03...bour-idea.html
http://leonduveen.mycouncillor.org.u...e-bedroom-tax/
http://brightgreenscotland.org/index...s-bedroom-tax/

I would hope you watched the 2010 election as I did and took notice of all the interviews too.
In fact I would love to see a re-run of the election campaign for 2015, pointing out the aim to clear the deficit by 2015,indeed eliminating it was the word used.

I would also like shown David Cameron's pledge that there would be no top down re-organisation of the NHS, another deceit.

However,below is a snippet from 'Conservative home', with the first exchange between Osborne and Johnson,wherein Johnson asks Osborne about the aim of eliminating the deficit to which simply Osborne says yes it is.

Labour would never have applied any spare room tax to the most vulnerable and poorest,genuinely sick, disabled and terminally ill.
They would never have got such a policy through with their own MP's,this Govt has been told repeatedly by carers, the CAB, welfare groups and charities since this came in of the devastation caused to people who are vulnerable as to the bedroom tax.
They take not a bit of notice.

That may possibly,I don't know, be something you can accept and admire but it isn't something I like to see fall on my fellow citizens who are the most in need.

AS for Labour leaving the debt behind, no matter what Govt. was in power that same crash was still going to come and the recession too.
Neither party, the Conservatives nor Labour in the formers 18 unbroken years of power to 1997,then the latters 13 years of power did really anything to regulate the Banking industry.
No matter what party was in power when the crisis and recession hit, just as with most Countries around the world,some negative legacy was going to be left after it.

Labour chose the financial way, they built up the deficit and borrowed,thereby leaving a financial burden on the state,no argument as to that.
They could have done what the Conservatives would have likely done and indeed what they did in the 1980s.
They could have allowed jobs to go left,right and centre and see unemployment rise to ridiculous levels.
Thereby leaving human cost instead of financial cost behind.

It had to be one or the other,I wonder if you would have preferred to see people losing their jobs all over the place like they did in the 80s rather than try another,although costly way but one that would save a great number of jobs and keep people in work.

Both were unsavoury to me but one had to be the result of that recession, the Conservatives if in power would have had no utilities to sell off as they did in the 80s,so again unemployment would have risen likely dramatically and so the welfare costs would have rocketed.




first Commons clash with Alan Johnson

The Treasury Questions exchange, as recorded in Hansard.

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[arista]

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...d.php?t=265366

Joey check this News video
please

[joeysteele]

Right, all I can say is Miliband held his own rather well, look, the deficit is not the major issue for me so I am going to see Miliband differently.
For me getting rid of the bedroom tax and the NHS are the important issues for me.

I take offence to Jon Snow putting the NHS down the list,I thought he was a man obsessed with the deficit issue and that was that, a one tracked mind in a whole interview.

I really hope Jon Snow collars David Cameron and asks him why this deficit he is so obsessed with is not even at the very least half cleared when it was to be totally cleared according to Cameron and the Chancellor Osborne by 2015.

Really a rather pathetic interview, I guess they have to do things like that but I am glad Miliband stuck to his guns as to people living in near poverty and the dangers to the NHS.

AS to Scotland and it pains me to say this but Miliband did get a rough ride up there,he is an English politician, as did Clegg too however both of them got out and met the ordinary people of Scotland and got out on the streets.
Cameron, on the other hand only went to a few Companies, talked to Bankers and business leaders.
Then made a few speeches to a selected and invited audience.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Right, all I can say is Miliband held his own rather well, look, the deficit is not the major issue for me so I am going to see Miliband differently.
For me getting rid of the bedroom tax and the NHS are the important issues for me.

I take offence to Jon Snow putting the NHS down the list,I thought he was a man obsessed with the deficit issue and that was that, a one tracked mind in a whole interview.

I really hope Jon Snow collars David Cameron and asks him why this deficit he is so obsessed with is not even at the very least half cleared when it was to be totally cleared according to Cameron and the Chancellor Osborne by 2015.

Really a rather pathetic interview, I guess they have to do things like that but I am glad Miliband stuck to his guns as to people living in near poverty and the dangers to the NHS.

AS to Scotland and it pains me to say this but Miliband did get a rough ride up there,he is an English politician, as did Clegg too however both of them got out and met the ordinary people of Scotland and got out on the streets.
Cameron, on the other hand only went to a few Companies, talked to Bankers and business leaders.
Then made a few speeches to a selected and invited audience.

Jon Snow
is one of our best reporters


he Ripped your Ed apart

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Jon Snow
is one of our best reporters


he Ripped your Ed apart

No he didn't,actually, to me Jon Snow came over badly, to you of course what he did would be good to see, for me it is not.

I would rather hear far more from interviewers and presenters when interviewing politicians as to them speaking up and challenging same as to the most vulnerable in the UK getting the hardest hit.

Jon Snow didn't impress me at all with his line of questioning in that clip, there again he rarely does impress me anyway,just as in fact most interviewers and political correspondents don't either.
Oh with the exception of Tom Bradby at ITN.

[Kizzy]

How do countries make money? Industry ... thanks to this and previous conservative governments we are a husk.
There is no such thing as the Kinnock effect, just the tory media puppetry, they put more money into these smear campaigns than any other budget!

[lostalex]

I hate to say it, but i really think it's because he's ugly. David is so much more handsome and i really think Labour would be doing better if he was chosen as leader.

Ed has ZERO charisma and zero sex appeal.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

How do countries make money? Industry ... thanks to this and previous conservative governments we are a husk.
There is no such thing as the Kinnock effect, just the tory media puppetry, they put more money into these smear campaigns than any other budget!

I do think there are a good number of people who would have preferred David Miliband as leader and I do agree he would have been a good leader.

With that in mind, Ed Miliband has that factor to deal with too,I actually admire the way he gets on with things and says what he means.
I like it even more when I agree with and like all he is saying too as in the case of his speech on Tuesday.

I saw another great speech as to the NHS the following day from who would have been my choice for leader of the Labour party,namely Andy Burnham.

Now I am a solid Labour supporter however,I am behind Ed all the way and will do all I can to help them win in May 2015.

These interviews are only the beginning for him and Labour really, this is going to be one of the dirtiest and nastiest campaigns ever, because the Conservatives have a disastrous record over the last 4+ years and the Lib Dems have to take attention away from their betrayal of their voters.

What I hope is that policies do feature in the campaign and that Labour keep the NHS right at the top of the agenda because no way will the press do so.
Also interviewers and presenters won't either as with Jon Snow in that interview he has no concerns as to the worries as to the NHS too.
Sheer ignorance on his part,in my view to put the NHS way down the line as to being important,I found that section greatly offensive from any interviewer.

[Kizzy]

My sentiments too Joey, he's a fool to underestimate the connotations of the loss of the NHS... It would mean certain death for thousands!
I too hope he keeps it up there as a key point, I prefer Ed to David (who I always thought looked sly) Ed has a quiet confidence, he doesn't feel the need to chip away with catty remarks like a schoolgirl or shout false promises and have tickertape parades.

[Toy Soldier]

I actually thought that was an awful interview by Mr Snow. He played the role of the antagonist, which is sometimes fine, it can be effective but he descended into whining by the end which seemed fully scripted.

More importantly, it's pretty clear that he wasn't actually listening. He had that script that he was going by and failed to adapt the interview at all to any of the responses. He was also failing to give ample time for a full response. Terrible journalism.

My personal views on the all-important deficit is that they've basically got it all wrong anyway. Promising to clear a large deficit through austerity in 5 to 10 years, is stupid. And harmful. What they should be doing is making sure they do chip away at it, slowly, primarily by INCREASING EFFICIENCY not by making cuts across the board. Our economy is woefully inefficient. That is the problem. We could be operating with zero deficit without any cuts to services if it was all running smoothly and then building from THAT point to repay debts. It doesn't matter if that takes several years. This idea that it has to be done and dusted in a couple of years is madness.

[arista]

TS

That what we need a reporter to do.
And having notes is normal.


Feck Sake
that dork Ed
wants to be a PM


We must have tough questions

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I actually thought that was an awful interview by Mr Snow. He played the role of the antagonist, which is sometimes fine, it can be effective but he descended into whining by the end which seemed fully scripted.

More importantly, it's pretty clear that he wasn't actually listening. He had that script that he was going by and failed to adapt the interview at all to any of the responses. He was also failing to give ample time for a full response. Terrible journalism.

My personal views on the all-important deficit is that they've basically got it all wrong anyway. Promising to clear a large deficit through austerity in 5 to 10 years, is stupid. And harmful. What they should be doing is making sure they do chip away at it, slowly, primarily by INCREASING EFFICIENCY not by making cuts across the board. Our economy is woefully inefficient. That is the problem. We could be operating with zero deficit without any cuts to services if it was all running smoothly and then building from THAT point to repay debts. It doesn't matter if that takes several years. This idea that it has to be done and dusted in a couple of years is madness.

I agree with all that.
Also since suddenly again the deficit is such an issue as to politics,then perhaps asking other parties is out of order too as to it.
Since for the last 18 months or more now we have been told by this coalition Govt. that they have taken a third off the deficit since 2010.

That hasn't as yet been stated as being any more so it would appear from that, they have actually done nothing as to reducing the deficit for almost 2 years now too.

It was a really bad interview by Jon Snow, he came across as very hostile and also rather ignorant too,in my view.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by arista

TS

That what we need a reporter to do.
And having notes is normal.


Feck Sake
that dork Ed
wants to be a PM


We must have tough questions

Not notes, a script. Notes are fine (for facts and figures) but the interview has to adapt around the answers and move on. A script does not adapt - his interview did not adapt, it pressed a point relentlessly (that didn't need pressing) at the expense of listening to any of the other answers. He also, like I said, started to whine.

Yes we need people to ask the tough questions but an interviewer also has to allow the opportunity to answer.

In my opinion, the answer is that addressing the deficit is important but not AS important as first addressing some of the other issues we currently face, and it is a perfectly valid answer. Personally my answer would have been; "We're not going to fix the deficit by tearing the structure of our economy to shreds, that will only make it worse. So first we concentrate on solid foundations."

I think that's roughly what he's trying to say but the interviewer wasn't allowing him breathing space to answer properly. That's what makes it a bad interview.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

My sentiments too Joey, he's a fool to underestimate the connotations of the loss of the NHS... It would mean certain death for thousands!
I too hope he keeps it up there as a key point, I prefer Ed to David (who I always thought looked sly) Ed has a quiet confidence, he doesn't feel the need to chip away with catty remarks like a schoolgirl or shout false promises and have tickertape parades.

It was totally out of order to dismiss the NHS issue the way Snow did Kizzy,especially after the 91 year olds speech at the Labour Conference about it too.
Now there was someone with a really strong and appropriate story to tell.

How sad the news doesn't universally show that kind of speech.
Brilliant contribution to the Labour party conference and telling facts for the whole Country to take notice of.