[Kizzy]

'You have permission to purr david'..... yes, go on dave purr with the rest of the fatcats in London.

[arista]

Kippers are LibDem


he would be great in a cartoon


NanoTech
GreenTech
Tech , Tech, Tech


I wish Cassetteboy would Remix this speech

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm waiting for some party to say, we'll pay you benefits for three years. If you haven't found a job after that, we'll find you one. I'd vote for them.

Labour have pretty much said this, but 2 years not 3. Guaranteed fulltime job (think its only guaranteed to last 6 months though) after being unemployed for 2 years

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Labour have pretty much said this, but 2 years not 3. Guaranteed fulltime job (think its only guaranteed to last 6 months though) after being unemployed for 2 years

It is a start however Vicky, there is always the possibility that if they show really willing and interest in the job they are doing, they could be kept on, some of them anyway.

It is plan of Labours to do what you said,however to do and guarantee more, any Govt needs to help create a whole load more vacancies to be able to assist the still high unemployment level into any work, temporary or otherwise.
Create the vacancies first then it will be far easier to solve the negative problem of unemployment.

Also too create jobs that are not zero hours contract work or as is also becoming the case,particularly in the bigger Stores, only 16 hours guaranteed work a week.
Both scenarios which have got steadily worse under this Coalition Govt.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

It is a start however Vicky, there is always the possibility that if they show really willing and interest in the job they are doing, they could be kept on, some of them anyway.

It is plan of Labours to do what you said,however to do and guarantee more, any Govt needs to help create a whole load more vacancies to be able to assist the still high unemployment level into any work, temporary or otherwise.
Create the vacancies first then it will be far easier to solve the negative problem of unemployment.

Also too create jobs that are not zero hours contract work or as is also becoming the case,particularly in the bigger Stores, only 16 hours guaranteed work a week.
Both scenarios which have got steadily worse under this Coalition Govt.

They will never do away with 0 hour contracts or the true number of unemployed people would start to show. So many in those and doing 0-5 hours a week and classed as fulltime employed..its ridiculous

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

They will never do away with 0 hour contracts or the true number of unemployed people would start to show. So many in those and doing 0-5 hours a week and classed as fulltime employed..its ridiculous

You are right Vicky, I would love to know the full number of so called 'employed' people who in reality barely get at best 10 really full time weeks work a year who are on these contracts.

That is before you start to calculate others on what is described as part time work too.

Real unemployment falling, that is the biggest con yet as to that statement.

[arista]

The PM is doing his speech
with less tax , no income tax for some
and other good deals

[MTVN]

"I once even left Nancy down the pub"

Top stuff

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

"I once even left Nancy down the pub"

Top stuff

Yes Honest.


Protect the NHS Budget

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Labour have pretty much said this, but 2 years not 3. Guaranteed fulltime job (think its only guaranteed to last 6 months though) after being unemployed for 2 years

That's not what I meant at all.

If they haven't found a job in three years then they'll be put to work. There's lots of things people could do in order to justify the money they're given that would benefit the country and their community. Rather that than sitting on their arse surfing the Internet and watching Jeremy Kyle. If someone hasn't found a job in three years they're either not trying hard enough or they're setting their sights too high, in my opinion.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

You are right Vicky, I would love to know the full number of so called 'employed' people who in reality barely get at best 10 really full time weeks work a year who are on these contracts.

That is before you start to calculate others on what is described as part time work too.

Real unemployment falling, that is the biggest con yet as to that statement.

Even worse are the "self-employment based opportunities" that are everywhere, supposedly guaranteed to return at least minimum wage. A friend of ours lost his job (an experienced manager at Tesco) and took up one of these on the instruction of the job center... a door to door type thing. He was putting in 70+ hour weeks and struggling to make Ł150 a week (less than Ł2.50 an hour, 35 hours at minimum wage is over Ł220 a week). He gave it up and was then ineligible for JSA on the basis that he had "voluntarily given up full time employment". Luckily, he found a real full-time management role fairly quickly, but they had already had to sell their car and were 3 months behind on their mortgage. If they'd been in a private rent they would probably have been evicted :/.

The jobs on offer have to be real, meaningful jobs that actually reflect what they are. If that's less than full time they should just say so - tax credits etc. at least mean that it's possible to scrape by on a part-time salary and continue looking for better without the constraints of jumping through JSA hoops.

The things they force you to attend are abysmal. I was unemployed for 6 months after Uni and avoided that fate by the skin of my teeth. I got a job after about 5.5 months but didn't start for 4 weeks so had to continue JSA... for the final two weeks they made me attend jobsearch groups (read: a room full of brawling junkies and alcoholics on one side and horrified normal people on the other) twice a week even though I already had a job (pointless hoops...). Those 5 months and especially that final two weeks were enough to open my eyes completely to the system and not wish that fate on ANYONE who is genuinely seeking work. That was in 2009, and apparently it's only gotten worse since then.

[arista]

[PM Pledges Tax Cut For Millions Of Families
David Cameron has promised to raise the 40p
tax rate to Ł50,000 helping thousands of
middle income earners if the Tories
win another five years in power.
In his last conference speech before the
General Election, Mr Cameron offered an array of sweeteners.
He vowed to balance the nation's books by 2016 so he could
deliver tax cuts for "hard-working families" including lifting
the tax-free allowance from Ł10,500 to Ł12,500 and
increasing the 40p tax rate from Ł41,900 to Ł50,000.
Mr Cameron attempted to paint a picture of the Tories
as the champion of the ordinary man, of families.
He said he wanted a Britain
where there was: "the chance of a job,
a home, a good start in life, whoever you are,
wherever you’re from. And by the way,
you never pull one person up by pulling other people down."]


http://news.sky.com/story/1345467/pm...ns-of-families

[Livia]

He sounds like a desperate man, to me.

[arista]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...tics-live-blog

[michael21]

Originally Posted by arista

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...tics-live-blog

he wiping his sweat on her

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

He sounds like a desperate man, to me.

No I think
sticking to a solid plan is better
for everyones future

[MTVN]

Pretty good speech really; got all his soundbites in there, made some classic Tory promises, phrased them all articulately and coherently

Can see why people are raising questions about how they'll fund all the tax cuts though, seems a bit sneaky as well that none of them will come in until the deficit has been eliminated in 2018, particularly considering its hard to trust that they will have done so by then when originally it was supposed to have been eliminated by 2015

[michael21]

Originally Posted by arista

No I think
sticking to a solid plan is better
for everyones future

but he never does that the problem utter fact

[LeatherTrumpet]

Good solid speech but I just dont get the vote for nige and get milliband bollocks. You vote for who you want, end of.

[joeysteele]

A good speech for most of the already converted, not for everyone else who may be disappointed with all the acts of this Govt over the last 4 and a half years.
All I saw was yet more procrastination as to doing anything,this PM is good at saying this will be done another day then never doing it at all.

I found him insincere with nothing really new forthcoming, just more of the same and for me, sorry but I have had enough of it over the last 4+ years.

As to the NHS, thankfully most voters will see through the crocodile tears and always keep in mind his ''there will be no top down re-organsiation of the NHS'',then him doing just that.
I would not trust him with opening the door to a hospital never mind planning for the future of the NHS.

I would have liked to have heard why nothing has further been taken off the deficit for nearly 2 years now, yet he feels that doesn't matter and has governed still.
How he dare come back now and raise that failure as to clearing the deficit and say he needs another 4 to 5 years to clear it is beyond belief.

Nothing at all to impress me in this speech and actually, to me,he looked a loser today,were I still in any way sympathetic to the Conservative party cause,I would have felt deflated by this speech really.
I also don't think they have done their sums correctly either.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by arista

No I think
sticking to a solid plan is better
for everyones future

I would bet a month's salary that that speech has been rewritten many times since Nigel Farage's speech. The Conservatives have virtually ignored public opinion in the last four and a half years and, disastrously for them, alienated their core voters. Then up pops Farage saying all the things the Tory Party faithful want to hear and, surprisingly, what a lot of Labour voters want to hear too. I honestly think it's too late to start listening now. The Tories are crapping themselves, and in all honestly they have much about which to be crapping themselves.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Good solid speech but I just dont get the vote for nige and get milliband bollocks. You vote for who you want, end of.

As I recall during the last General Election, the claim was "vote for the LibDems, get Labour". It's about as close to the truth as all their other election claims and promises.

[Toy Soldier]

"He vowed to balance the nation's books by 2016"



Is he also planning to reintroduce the Unicorn to fix the man made imbalance in our ecosystem?

Honestly. By 2016! They haven't "balanced the books" in the last 4 years but they're suddenly going to achieve it in one? That's got to be one of the more ridiculous pledges I've heard. I wouldn't trust any politician with a target of anything before 2020 and even that's unrealistic. If someone had a concrete plan to get it done by 2025, then I;d start to believe it.

[Toy Soldier]

This is ****ing brilliant to be fair...

Youtube video

[Livia]

LMAO... That's brilliant TS.