[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Me neither

But yeah, so much respect for Alexander, what a gentleman he is, he handled it with so much class and dignity when he would have been well within his rights to kick off

For sure. I know guys who would have grabbed up 70 odd year old Ken for that. Dont give a ****** how old he is he needs to show a bit more respect. I wonder how long ago 61 year old Alexander was last called a 'good lad'.

[Vicky.]

****ing hell, Alexander is 61?! Hes aged very well

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

For sure. I know guys who would have grabbed up 70 odd year old Ken for that. Dont give a ****** how old he is he needs to show a bit more respect. I wonder how long ago 61 year old Alexander was last called a 'good lad'.

Age isn't a good enough excuse, yeah maybe back in his day the word was acceptable but is he honestly saying that he's that oblivious to the world around him that he still thought it was acceptable? Or is he saying that he doesn't give a ****? My money is on the latter. Revolting man, what he said to Chloe about Jeremy afterwards as well was so sleazy and derogatory.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Age isn't a good enough excuse, yeah maybe back in his day the word was acceptable but is he honestly saying that he's that oblivious to the world around him that he still thought it was acceptable? Or is he saying that he doesn't give a ****? My money is on the latter. Revolting man, what he said to Chloe about Jeremy afterwards as well was so sleazy and derogatory.

I agree his comment to Chloe about Jeremy being a producer was completely out of order. Not sure about the strategy of leching, perving and casual racism is gonna get him very far though.

[coffee]

I honestly didn't know negro was offensive. I never said it in my life anyway but now I know not to.

[LeatherTrumpet]

you have to accept that old people are not you. ken does not give a feck that you now think negro is bad, other 70 year olds may agree, some do not

he does not

deal with that

its real

[bitontheslide]

It has a lot to do with intent too. Ken was intent on making a controversy as he wants to get kicked out, take his money and run. So, he knew what he was saying and the potential effect it would have

[WyldeFyre]

Originally Posted by coffee

I honestly didn't know negro was offensive. I never said it in my life anyway but now I know not to.

I'm very anti-racist and didn't know it was considered offensive either tbh. But we live and learn.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by WyldeFyre

I'm very anti-racist and didn't know it was considered offensive either tbh. But we live and learn.

it is not offensive its old and historical

but ken used it in an offensive way by being a twat

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

you have to accept that old people are not you. ken does not give a feck that you now think negro is bad, other 70 year olds may agree, some do not

he does not

deal with that

its real

'You now think Negro is bad' I'd say society now thinks its bad. I take it you dont consider yourself to be a part of society?

[Macie Lightfoot]

Yeah, I don't think negro is really a racist term (it's not for me to judge anyway, though) but it's a really antiquated term that obviously has loads of negative connotations surrounding it, and I think that's mainly what Alexander was trying to get across. Like, someone freely calling someone else a negro even in jest just reflects poorly on the person using it and makes them look not well-informed at all.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

Yeah, I don't think negro is really a racist term (it's not for me to judge anyway, though) but it's a really antiquated term that obviously has loads of negative connotations surrounding it, and I think that's mainly what Alexander was trying to get across. Like, someone freely calling someone else a negro even in jest just reflects poorly on the person using it and makes them look not well-informed at all.

[coffee]

and because she hasn't known him too long either. He doesn't really know how he was using that word... If it was good or bad.

I mean, I'm not black so can't say if this word would hurt me or not but I am Greek and if my friend called me a sweaty hairy greasey olive crumbley cheese face I would think it was funny but if a stranger called me it I would go crazy angry ahahah

[WyldeFyre]

When it comes down to it, a word in itself cannot be offensive, it is the intent behind the word which offends.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by WyldeFyre

When it comes down to it, a word in itself cannot be offensive, it is the intent behind the word which offends.

This.Pretty sure he said 'fat negro' which put it in a derogatory context.I don't think just saying the word 'negro' in itself is a racist term but put in the context Ken used it,it certainly did.

[TizzyTizzie \(^o^)/]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

negro and n***er are not the same

both are offensive to black skinned people however

NO...NOT ALL BLACK PEOPLE WOULD BE OFFENDED..
The use of the term Negro is perfectly fine and those who get offended by it are only offended due to their ignorance of what the word actually means and where it originates from.

Alexander saying 'Know one uses that word anymore' is BS...He clearly doesn't get out much. The amount of Black/White/Asian/Hispanic......people using the word is still very high.

It's not as if Ken said it in a racist way.. he was joking. And if anyone has a problem with that then ask yourself, "Is it ok that when Ken uses the word he gets hate but when many comedians such as Kevin Hart say it, it's accepted and deemed funny!?".
So in other words,'Is it ok for a black man to say something that a white man can't.'

[TizzyTizzie \(^o^)/]

Originally Posted by WyldeFyre

When it comes down to it, a word in itself cannot be offensive, it is the intent behind the word which offends.

Agreed

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by TizzyTizzie \(^o^)/

NO...NOT ALL BLACK PEOPLE WOULD BE OFFENDED..
The use of the term Negro is perfectly fine and those who get offended by it are only offended due to their ignorance of what the word actually means and where it originates from.

Alexander saying 'Know one uses that word anymore' is BS...He clearly doesn't get out much. The amount of Black/White/Asian/Hispanic......people using the word is still very high.

It's not as if Ken said it in a racist way.. he was joking. And if anyone has a problem with that then ask yourself, "Is it ok that when Ken uses the word he gets hate but when many comedians such as Kevin Hart say it, it's accepted and deemed funny!?".
So in other words,'Is it ok for a black man to say something that a white man can't.'

FOR ****S SAKE

Sorry for the caps but I'm sick of this stuipid point being made. It only shows the posters ignorance.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by TizzyTizzie \(^o^)/

NO...NOT ALL BLACK PEOPLE WOULD BE OFFENDED..
The use of the term Negro is perfectly fine and those who get offended by it are only offended due to their ignorance of what the word actually means and where it originates from.

Alexander saying 'Know one uses that word anymore' is BS...He clearly doesn't get out much. The amount of Black/White/Asian/Hispanic......people using the word is still very high.

It's not as if Ken said it in a racist way.. he was joking. And if anyone has a problem with that then ask yourself, "Is it ok that when Ken uses the word he gets hate but when many comedians such as Kevin Hart say it, it's accepted and deemed funny!?".
So in other words,'Is it ok for a black man to say something that a white man can't.'

Maybe you should brush up on your history before making such uninformed statements.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by TizzyTizzie \(^o^)/

NO...NOT ALL BLACK PEOPLE WOULD BE OFFENDED..
The use of the term Negro is perfectly fine and those who get offended by it are only offended due to their ignorance of what the word actually means and where it originates from.

Alexander saying 'Know one uses that word anymore' is BS...He clearly doesn't get out much. The amount of Black/White/Asian/Hispanic......people using the word is still very high.

It's not as if Ken said it in a racist way.. he was joking. And if anyone has a problem with that then ask yourself, "Is it ok that when Ken uses the word he gets hate but when many comedians such as Kevin Hart say it, it's accepted and deemed funny!?".
So in other words,'Is it ok for a black man to say something that a white man can't.'

The way Ken used the word made it twice as bad imo

[lily.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I have never heard the word pickaninny before in my life

Neither have I.

I didn't realise Alexander was 61. That explains his calm reaction though. He has lived through times when racism was worse than it is today and no doubt come up against a lot of hate in his lifetime, so he has learned how to deal with ignorant people like Ken.

[johne]

Originally Posted by sampvt

The term Negro is still widely used as a non offensive term to describe Black people. There is the Negro sports academy, the Negro sport league (which incidently whites are not allowed into HMMMMMMM) and even the granddaddy of Black rights, MLK used the word extensively in his day.

It's only a matter of time, (a couple of years?), before the term "black" becomes taboo, such is the way with political correctness. I would ask those who want Ken kicked out for using "negro", and appear shocked that he did so, to reflect on the fact that their beliefs and emotions are being manipulated by the thought police.

For what it's worth, I'll agree that one often goes along with political correctness simply because failing to do so upsets those who unconsciously follow it. Ken's sin is that he seems to be intentionally offending everyone, and I agree with those who think he is not a very nice person, but if BB evicted everyone who was not nice they would probably soon run out of contestants.

[sampvt]

Ive lived all over the world with my job. In S Africa you cant call a black a coloured as this refers to mixed race, you cant call a coloured a black and in the USA I was told by a man that I called black that he was actually Afro Caribbean. I have heard that blacks with a hint of a mixed race like Tiger Woods, don't like being called Black at all. Its a bloody minefield and as someone has said, it will all change in a couple of years time.

The stupidest thing I have ever heard in my life was a fellow golfer at a tournament in Vegas, asking a black man why he was called black when he was brown. This black person had the start delayed and had my friend ejected for racial abuse saying he called him a Brownie. He didn't, he said why don't people call you Brownies but he was English and didn't know Brownies referred to a cake.

This was a while ago granted but to complain and get a tournament closed down and to blackmail a sponsor in order to get a man evicted for such a silly thing just goes to show how PC our world is getting to.