[arista]

Only a 100
feck the price will be High.


But will she get a AK47 Visit?
thats more important


No do not give the press a Photo of yourself

Nervous: Village shopkeeper Ila Aghera admitted
she was 'shaking' over her decision to stock 100 copies
of the new Charlie Hebdo magazine on Friday,
but said: 'I don’t care because what I am doing is right'

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz3Oljv7ck8



Just because the PM says it OK
does not come into this
Lady you could be done later
who will watch your back then?

[jennyjuniper]

Good on her. Someone has to stand up to those sicko's.

[Northern Monkey]

Good for her!She's brave.What needs to happen really is every newspaper needs to print these cartoons at once all accross Europe.A team effort type thing.Then not just one is singled out.Show these terrorists that they can't use bully tactics to oppress.

[arista]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Good for her!She's brave.What needs to happen really is every newspaper needs to print these cartoons at once all accross Europe.A team effort type thing.Then not just one is singled out.Show these terrorists that they can't use bully tactics to oppress.

Look while she sells it
Armed Police can covert watch over her.

But after that
she is on her own?



I am sorry but you are saying sell it
then get killed

[Nedusa]

The cartoons appearing in today's Charlie Hebdo newspaper are peaceful and conciliatory they show the prophet Muhammed with a tear in his eye holding a "Je suis Charlie" sign with the words above saying All is forgiven.

Yet on radio phone in shows this morning , ALL muslim callers said these latest cartoons were insulting to the Prophet and insulting to Islam.

WT actual F...........!!!!!

There is no pleasing these people, these were random muslims phoning in to a talk show yet every one of them say only "Their beloved faith" (Fairy Story) insulted by these cartoons.

Cartoons that tried to repair some of the damage whilst still promoting free speech.

I think this sums up the strangeness with the Islamic faith, people are so brain washed so conditioned to believe their faith is somehow so real that they have the right to commit any real physical actions to defend this illusory nonsense.

The arrogance is breathtaking and it will never go away until we all comply.

Many posters on here have tried to alert other posters/readers as to the very real threat that exists with these people and the lengths they are all prepared to go to , to defend and promote their "faith". Many posters have replied with posts attacking these warnings saying it is only a few who are extreme.

But they ALL hold these extreme arrogant beliefs albeit only a few are prepared to act on them, but I feel we are being far too complacent as to the real depth of feeling most muslims have, and we need to recognise that ultimate peaceful co-existance may in fact just be a pipe dream.





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[arista]

"There is no pleasing these people,"

They can modify them all they want
the AK47 Muslim Terrorists do not mind
you sell it
they have a Right to hunt and kill you

its that black and white

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by arista

Look while she sells it
Armed Police can covert watch over her.

But after that
she is on her own?



I am sorry but you are saying sell it
then get killed

She is doing a brave thing(if not a little stupid).Like i said in the rest of my post.ALL newspapers should stand up to these terrorists at once.

[arista]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

She is doing a brave thing(if not a little stupid).Like i said in the rest of my post.ALL newspapers should stand up to these terrorists at once.

But its not that simple
as many Muslims who are not
Terrorists ,
would not want it sold

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by arista

But its not that simple
as many Muslims who are not
Terrorists ,
would not want it sold

Well fortunately Europe is not Saudi Arabia and artistic freedom is(sopposedly) one of the things which seperates us from these oppressive regimes.Just because Muslims don't want it printed does'nt mean it should not be.They can feck off to a nice Islamic dictatorship if they can't handle it.

[Kizzy]

We can all bang on about freedom of speech and walk the street in our millions but it's brave people like this who put their life on the line that enforce it.

[Benjamin]

I hope this lady lives to tell the tale.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

I hope this lady lives to tell the tale.

Same, all credit to her though, what a brave woman

[arista]

Well she has made her money back
as 80 are reserved

so only 20 for sale
They will have another Ł20 on them


But she would need a Armed Police to protect her forever
not going to happen

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

The cartoons appearing in today's Charlie Hebdo newspaper are peaceful and conciliatory they show the prophet Muhammed with a tear in his eye holding a "Je suis Charlie" sign with the words above saying All is forgiven.

Yet on radio phone in shows this morning , ALL muslim callers said these latest cartoons were insulting to the Prophet and insulting to Islam.

WT actual F...........!!!!!

There is no pleasing these people, these were random muslims phoning in to a talk show yet every one of them say only "Their beloved faith" (Fairy Story) insulted by these cartoons.

I agree with the religion = fairytales part but, to play devil's advocate, the images being peaceful and conciliatory is sort of irrelevant because the "offense" they feel isn't anything to do with whatever he happens to be doing in the images. many (I think most?) Muslims are taught that ANY visual depiction of any prophet is wrong / insulting, even if it's an anatomically correct attempt to draw what they might really have looked like, just standing doing nothing at all. So, I'm far from surprised that a cartoon holding a banner was deemed offensive.

I agree though it does illustrate the "strangeness" of it all. Not just Islam but all faiths, really. I was quite taken aback recently to learn that a friend of ours, who is a committed Christian, apparently "winces" when she hears people blaspheming, because it hurts her to hear people use her "friend" Jesus's name alongside swearing. Something that I do constantly! And my wife. And our 5 year old daughter... oops... ("UH! Look at this mess, Jeeeziss Chrissstt daddy" )

Anyway yes, it totally baffles me that people can get themselves so worked up over these things. I must be a very strange way to live, believing in supernatural forces and beings that can be "offended" etc. I can barely imagine it really.

[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

The cartoons appearing in today's Charlie Hebdo newspaper are peaceful and conciliatory they show the prophet Muhammed with a tear in his eye holding a "Je suis Charlie" sign with the words above saying All is forgiven.

Yet on radio phone in shows this morning , ALL muslim callers said these latest cartoons were insulting to the Prophet and insulting to Islam.

WT actual F...........!!!!!

There is no pleasing these people, these were random muslims phoning in to a talk show yet every one of them say only "Their beloved faith" (Fairy Story) insulted by these cartoons.

Cartoons that tried to repair some of the damage whilst still promoting free speech.

I think this sums up the strangeness with the Islamic faith, people are so brain washed so conditioned to believe their faith is somehow so real that they have the right to commit any real physical actions to defend this illusory nonsense.

The arrogance is breathtaking and it will never go away until we all comply.

Many posters on here have tried to alert other posters/readers as to the very real threat that exists with these people and the lengths they are all prepared to go to , to defend and promote their "faith". Many posters have replied with posts attacking these warnings saying it is only a few who are extreme.

But they ALL hold these extreme arrogant beliefs albeit only a few are prepared to act on them, but I feel we are being far too complacent as to the real depth of feeling most muslims have, and we need to recognise that ultimate peaceful co-existance may in fact just be a pipe dream.





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It's offensive to depict the prophet in any form of drawing. It's not rocket science why they are offended.

[arista]

on radio 5
a Central London Newsagents man
said he has around 450 asking for it
he will sell it
they arrive for him on Friday

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

It's offensive to depict the prophet in any form of drawing. It's not rocket science why they are offended.

Someone, anyone please tell me why it is offensive to show a visual representation of an imaginery being ?

How is it offensive, why would it be offensive..........anyone with an IQ higher than an ant would have the sense to understand faith is just that Faith wishful thinking at best.

So why get angry ,offended, hurt, enraged, murderous, vengeful about something so damned esoteric.

It makes no sense at all

And to actually murder another human being, to take their life because they said or did something which upset your imaginery friend.

Well this to me is utterly incomprehensible, leaving me with the only rational explanation I have, which is that extreme religious belief like this is a form of acute mental illness and people displaying these more severe symptoms need to be removed from society and given treatment to help cure their affliction.

If no cure is possible then they should be removed from Humankind permanently as they are grave danger to normal people.

Oh and people who feed others these delusions should also be made to stop as it is a form of incitement or conspiracy to brainwash people into causing all manner of actual physical harm to otherwise innocent normal people.





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[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Someone, anyone please tell me why it is offensive to show a visual representation of an imaginery being ?

How is it offensive, why would it be offensive..........anyone with an IQ higher than an ant would have the sense to understand faith is just that Faith wishful thinking at best.

So why get angry ,offended, hurt, enraged, murderous, vengeful about something so damned esoteric.

It makes no sense at all

And to actually murder another human being, to take their life because they said or did something which upset your imaginery friend.

Well this to me is utterly incomprehensible, leaving me with the only rational explanation I have, which is that extreme religious belief like this is a form of acute mental illness and people displaying these more severe symptoms need to be removed from society and given treatment to help cure their affliction.

If no cure is possible then they should be removed from Humankind permanently as they are grave danger to normal people.

Oh and people who feed others these delusions should also be made to stop as it is a form of incitement or conspiracy to brainwash people into causing all manner of actual physical harm to otherwise innocent normal people.





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Well, you need to chill...don't you.

No one is saying that the people who make the cartoons should be killed... Still doesn't mean Muslims shouldn't be offended by The Magazine, whichi s what you are complaining about. The same way there is a right to freedom of speech, there is a right to be offended. Not sure what position you are in to decide if they have a right to be offended or not.

Hell, the intention of the magazine is to pretty much be controversial and be offensive. You are criticising people who have faith in a religion just for the sake of it.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Well, you need to chill...don't you.

No one is saying that the people who make the cartoons should be killed... Still doesn't mean Muslims shouldn't be offended by The Magazine. The same way there is a right to freedom of speech, there is a right to be offended. Hell, the intention of the magazine is to pretty much be controversial and be offensive. You are criticising people who have faith in a religion just for the sake of it.

Well No.........not really

I am criticising people who have faith in a religion and decide to commit acts of mass murder because they think it would be offensive to their imaginery friend in the clouds.

slight difference....





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[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Many posters on here have tried to alert other posters/readers as to the very real threat that exists with these people and the lengths they are all prepared to go to , to defend and promote their "faith". Many posters have replied with posts attacking these warnings saying it is only a few who are extreme.

But they ALL hold these extreme arrogant beliefs albeit only a few are prepared to act on them, but I feel we are being far too complacent as to the real depth of feeling most muslims have, and we need to recognise that ultimate peaceful co-existance may in fact just be a pipe dream.

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You clearly don't know many Muslims.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

I hope this lady lives to tell the tale.

Me too but I'll add to that; I hope all the customers that come in her newsagents live to tell the tale.

The thing is, she isn't the only newsagent selling this first edition since the massacre. Lots of newsagens across the UK are going to be selling this copy. The only difference between her and the others is, she has let any would-be terrorists know where her and her customers can be found.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Well No.........not really

I am criticising people who have faith in a religion and decide to commit acts of mass murder because they think it would be offensive to their imaginery friend in the clouds.

slight difference....

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So your not criticizing all Muslims then? make up your mind or get off the pot.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Someone, anyone please tell me why it is offensive to show a visual representation of an imaginery being ?

How is it offensive, why would it be offensive..........anyone with an IQ higher than an ant would have the sense to understand faith is just that Faith wishful thinking at best.

So why get angry ,offended, hurt, enraged, murderous, vengeful about something so damned esoteric.

It makes no sense at all

And to actually murder another human being, to take their life because they said or did something which upset your imaginery friend.

Well this to me is utterly incomprehensible, leaving me with the only rational explanation I have, which is that extreme religious belief like this is a form of acute mental illness and people displaying these more severe symptoms need to be removed from society and given treatment to help cure their affliction.

If no cure is possible then they should be removed from Humankind permanently as they are grave danger to normal people.

Oh and people who feed others these delusions should also be made to stop as it is a form of incitement or conspiracy to brainwash people into causing all manner of actual physical harm to otherwise innocent normal people.





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The reasoning as far as I understand it has to do with it being against "the rules" to worship physical idols in Islam (e.g. The crucifix / statues of Mary in Christianity) and creating physical images of a prophet is inadvertently encouraging idolry. Also the arrogance of the artist assuming that they "know the face" of these holy figures to be able to draw them is apparently offensive.

Again though I am totally with you on religion, it's something I seriously struggle with when it comes to all organised religions. General spirituality, sure, I get it, there's much more to the universe than we know or are capable of understanding. But these rigid faiths with actual holy characters and people communicating with specific supernatural beings? I just can't get my head around how so many otherwise intelligent and educated people manage to convince themselves that it's anything more than a collection of morality tales written by other human beings a long time ago. To explain the unknown, to offer guidance. I even get WHY they created these stories. I absolutely cannot understand, though, why on earth people are still going along with it.

All I can assume is that the power of suggestion on a young mind is incredibly powerful for most people and most are brought into their churches from birth. But then, I was sent to church and Sunday school as a child and remember, aged around 6, just sitting and clear as a bell it dawning on me: "hold on a second... None of this makes any ****ing sense!". But then, when I went home and stated as much, I didn't have parents who turned around and tried to reinforce the nonsense. My mum was always a big "don't really know!" and my dad is a very much EX Catholic, although he had never shared his non-belief with me until I stated it for myself. I guess when it's reinforced in the home, every day, it really does seep right into every corner of a young mind.

Adults turning to religion seems to almost always be after a trauma or because they have a life that is generally going badly and they need something to latch onto.

[JoshBB]

It's only sure to escalate tensions towards the muslim community. Im all for freedom of expression, but I can't feel that people would feel so "je suis charlie" if it was an anti-semitic or anti-christian newspaper.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

It's only sure to escalate tensions towards the muslim community. Im all for freedom of expression, but I can't feel that people would feel so "je suis charlie" if it was an anti-semitic or anti-christian newspaper.

It kind of is though, isn't it? Well, that could be argued, at least. I thought the point of Charlie Hebdo is that it isn't afraid to take swipes at any group, Jewish people and Christians included.