[arista]

[A teenager has been jailed for 22 years for hatching a plot to behead a British soldier inspired by the murder of Fusilier Lee Rigby.
Brusthom Ziamani, 19, stood impassively in the dock as the sentence was handed down at the Old Bailey.
He was arrested in an east London street carrying a 12in knife and a hammer in a rucksack.
He had earlier researched the location of army cadet bases in the south east of the capital.]

http://news.sky.com/story/1449106/te...behead-soldier


Utter Justice

[andybigbro]

What is happening to this world.

[smudgie]

These young fools need to know how serious it is, the jail sentence should be a warning to anyone else with the same idea.

[Ninastar]

22 years is nothing, really :/

[JoshBB]

well I am glad they caught him and prevented death

[Mystic Mock]

Lets hope that he at least serves 15 years in Prison.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Lets hope that he at least serves 15 years in Prison.

Too small a sentence for me, this means he is only around his mid 30s when he comes out, he could actually come out more dangerous than when he went in.
I think he should have had to serve the full term given and got longer too.

[Mystic Mock]

I agree Joey, but we can't expect the UK to be sensible just yet, it will take a slow transition for that to happen I think.

[Livia]

Even if he serves his full sentence - which he probably won't because right now there will be a team of people working on his appeal - he'll be 41 when he gets out. I hope someone slits his throat in prison.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Even if he serves his full sentence - which he probably won't because right now there will be a team of people working on his appeal - he'll be 41 when he gets out. I hope someone slits his throat in prison.

You know what, so do I, couldn't happen to a more deserving individual in my view.

[DemolitionRed]

The question is, how long does it take to de-radicalize someone?

I'm glad they found him in time, I'm pleased they've made an example of him and I hope he serves a good amount of time in prison. If he turns out to be a psychopath I hope he spends his whole term in prison. If he's just a weak character who fell under the ISIS spell, like the fools who have left this country to fight for the cause, then I don't think he will serve anything like the sentence he's been given.

[Nedusa]

So glad he got a really long prison term and most importantly his intended victim still has his head on his shoulders .

I hope more of these radicalised would be murderers are caught and banged up BEFORE they can kill anybody.

[Shaun]

I know this is a horrific plot and everything but the fact that there are so many actual murder sentences that're shorter than this is a little bit alarming.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I know this is a horrific plot and everything but the fact that there are so many actual murder sentences that're shorter than this is a little bit alarming.

I actually do agree with you on this.

For some reason actual murderers get sympathy from some people.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I know this is a horrific plot and everything but the fact that there are so many actual murder sentences that're shorter than this is a little bit alarming.

Yeah, I agree. But more so because I think the justice system in the country is a little bit... pathetic. This boy should have more than 22 years and people who kill should be locked away for life.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I know this is a horrific plot and everything but the fact that there are so many actual murder sentences that're shorter than this is a little bit alarming.

Yes good point, whoever said justice was fair.....

[DemolitionRed]

The law on terrorism is very different than the law for ordinary criminal offences.

[lily.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Even if he serves his full sentence - which he probably won't because right now there will be a team of people working on his appeal - he'll be 41 when he gets out. I hope someone slits his throat in prison.

This.

Lee Rigby's murder impacted a lot of other serving soldiers. We do not need a repeat of that.

[Samuel.]

Ridiculously long, especially at that age. Weak minded boy with horrific intentions, but how exactly is 22 years justified. A huge waste for everybody involved.

[Nedusa]

I think this sentence is very high intentionally as it will act as a deterrent to anyone else thinking of taking up arms against the establishment.

Less than a hundred years ago this offence would have carried a mandatory death sentence as it would have been classed as treason (taking up arms against the state)

Two or three hundred years ago you would have had your innards cut out and your head and other limbs ( incl sexual organs) removed from your body in public for such an act.

[DemolitionRed]

The thing about 'terrorism law' is, they use terrorist actions to justify rushing through new legislation which in any other circumstance would never be accepted. Because 'terrorism law' changes yearly, I doubt very much that this guy is going to spend 22 years behind bars.

[bots]

I think it was an adequate sentence to act as a deterent in case others have the same idea. Don't think it was in any way harsh at all as the guy was intent on carrying out a barbaric terrorist offense. It was an intended act of treason which sets it apart from other crimes.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think it was an adequate sentence to act as a deterent in case others have the same idea. Don't think it was in any way harsh at all as the guy was intent on carrying out a barbaric terrorist offense. It was an intended act of treason which sets it apart from other crimes.

I agree ..... Don't be be surprised if you decide to try and take out (murder) the State , the State might decide to take you out instead.

[MTVN]

I think the sentence is understandably long. Ok some actual killers might get less but this guy subscribes to a belief system which actively encourages carrying out stuff like this whenever possible, and evidently he was very prepared to go through with that, so you can't really get more dangerous than that

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think it was an adequate sentence to act as a deterent in case others have the same idea. Don't think it was in any way harsh at all as the guy was intent on carrying out a barbaric terrorist offense. It was an intended act of treason which sets it apart from other crimes.

I totally agree. 'Deterrent' is the key word here and should be the joint prime consideration with 'Punishment' when sentencing, with B.S. 'Rehabilitation' or 'De-radicalising' a remote last.