[arista]

Both Conservative and Labour
say they will renew the Weapons based in Scotland
using Billions of tax payers money.


Many do not want them
as they say we no longer need them etc?

[MTVN]

Yes I think so, we should accept that peaceful international relations do rely on a balance of power and our possession of nuclear weapons is a part of that balance, else we leave France as the only western European power who holds them. Of course ideally we'd live in a nuclear free world but you can never be rid of the technology and the knowledge that gave birth to them, and even if you could convince every present government to give up their weapons - which would not happen anyway - we can never know what the next generation of leaders will do

[Nedusa]

No .........I think we should adopt the Green Party's defence plans, that is to say we should scrap all Nuclear weapons preferring instead to build a very large hedge that follows the perimeter of the UK

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yes I think so, we should accept that peaceful international relations do rely on a balance of power and our possession of nuclear weapons is a part of that balance, else we leave France as the only western European power who holds them. Of course ideally we'd live in a nuclear free world but you can never be rid of the technology and the knowledge that gave birth to them, and even if you could convince every present government to give up their weapons - which would not happen anyway - we can never know what the next generation of leaders will do

Yes France
a Nation that would use them
more than us

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

No .........I think we should adopt the Green Party's defence plans, that is to say we should scrap all Nuclear weapons preferring instead to build a very large hedge that follows the perimeter of the UK

That would help the NHS

[Crimson Dynamo]

i think we should keep them in Ireland as they have space and it would be cheaper

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i think we should keep them in Ireland as they have space and it would be cheaper

Northern Ireland could hold them
but it costs so much

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

Northern Ireland could hold them
but it costs so much

use the south where their are no cities or wifi

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

No .........I think we should adopt the Green Party's defence plans, that is to say we should scrap all Nuclear weapons preferring instead to build a very large hedge that follows the perimeter of the UK

i was with you until i detected the sarcasm on the large hedge thing.

my opinion on defence is this:

have what we need for DEFENCE (eg. a sufficient army, whatever the technical stuff is)

nuclear weapons are NOT defence and cannot be justified, they are dangerous not only to other innocent lives but to our own country as well. what if they were to malfunction?

100bn pounds on nuclear weapons is really not justified when we have things like a 8bn nhs gap, also we could use that to reduce the deficit and improve other public services, give some working class people lower taxes. help the starving kids in africa.

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

use the south where their are no cities or wifi

Do not Upset the Irish Mods

[arista]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

i was with you until i detected the sarcasm on the large hedge thing.

my opinion on defence is this:

have what we need for DEFENCE (eg. a sufficient army, whatever the technical stuff is)

nuclear weapons are NOT defence and cannot be justified, they are dangerous not only to other innocent lives but to our own country as well. what if they were to malfunction?

100bn pounds on nuclear weapons is really not justified when we have things like a 8bn nhs gap, also we could use that to reduce the deficit and improve other public services, give some working class people lower taxes. help the starving kids in africa.

Why is that our problem?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

No .........I think we should adopt the Green Party's defence plans, that is to say we should scrap all Nuclear weapons preferring instead to build a very large hedge that follows the perimeter of the UK

YEW must be joking.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

use the south where their are no cities or wifi

What about all the Racecourses?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by arista

That would help the NHS

You are most wise Arista - if you mean the New Hedge Society.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

What about all the Racecourses?

no, give them courses on cooking, pugilism and ploughing

these are useful for their agrarian feudal lifestyle

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no, give them courses on cooking, pugilism and ploughing

these are useful for their agrarian feudal lifestyle

[bots]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

100bn pounds on nuclear weapons is really not justified when we have things like a 8bn nhs gap, also we could use that to reduce the deficit and improve other public services, give some working class people lower taxes. help the starving kids in africa.

A fantastically funded NHS will not be much good when we've been nuked by Iran and North Korea to name but a couple. The reason countries listen to what the UK says is for one reason, and one reason only - we are a nuclear power

[Kizzy]

maybe that's why the tories cosy up to hedge fund bosses? we're building a hedge around the UK and they're funding it

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by arista

Why is that our problem?

because they are human beings and we shouldn't stop caring for people just because they were born in a different country and aren't as lucky as us

[arista]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

because they are human beings and we shouldn't stop caring for people just because they were born in a different country and aren't as lucky as us

Under Corrupt African Leaders



So No Way

[Vicky.]

Nukes are going to end human life (and possibly everything bar cockroaches) completely IMO. Dont see why anyone has them...

[Kizzy]

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

i was with you until i detected the sarcasm on the large hedge thing.

my opinion on defence is this:

have what we need for DEFENCE (eg. a sufficient army, whatever the technical stuff is)

nuclear weapons are NOT defence and cannot be justified, they are dangerous not only to other innocent lives but to our own country as well. what if they were to malfunction?

100bn pounds on nuclear weapons is really not justified when we have things like a 8bn nhs gap, also we could use that to reduce the deficit and improve other public services, give some working class people lower taxes. help the starving kids in africa.

Actually this official Green Party defence policy.....

[Kizzy]

Have ours gone out of date then?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Have ours gone out of date then?

Its not so much that the warheads have gone out of date, but delivery mechanisms and targetting will always need improving. Thats where the money goes. So the investment is more in those things which are applicable to many missile systems, not just nuclear. We already have more nuclear material than we could ever possibly need, and these days that production is relatively dirt cheap.

If the politicians made this more clear, I think people would find it more acceptable.