[lostalex]

The idea of Britain doing better without the EU is just silly. it's like the idea of any US state trying to be independent from the US. It's too silly to even imagine happening. just like the Scottish referendum. It's just ridiculous.

The EU is not the reason for any of the UK's main problems.

[arista]

Conservative Peter Bone MP
has been on all the News and radio today
saying this Vote is Not a Westminster Bubble.
This is a Vote for all Homes and Villages in the UK.

Leaflets and Door To Door
has now started

Thursday 23rd of June 2016
You all must vote

[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Cameron's face definitely looks a bit red in that picture.

Yes he is Stressed
I hope tonight he has proper sleep.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Who'd have thought it possible, you and I agreeing to an action by David Cameron.
It is good on him and although I doubted he could get as much in only the last year,I now concede he has,as he even exceeded any expectations I had as to this issue.


It is a very important and serious issue however and so I totally support his efforts as to really going for this deal, he could have just given up and been able to blame totally the EU.
However he got them to listen, to take his negotiations seriously and then to really hammer out a deal that had worth to it.

Now he has maybe the harder task to help convince the UK voters that he has got the best deal and that his vision for the UK in the EU is the right one.
As in his negotiations over this last few weeks on this,his efforts to secure that will also have my full support.

I knew we'de agree somewhere down the line Joey,and fair play to you for not being biased ,it takes a lot to support someone you don't like that's why I love you ,lets hope the country vote enmass,I really am undecided at the moment.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Cameron's face definitely looks a bit red in that picture.

Probs just got a wiff of someones bacon sarnie and all those memories came flooding back.Or he got a boner.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes he is Stressed
I hope tonight he has proper sleep.

He must be stressed and exhausted,the fact his plans were altered and his time extended and talks after talks extended too,which also wear people out.

He has had a few days of constant wrangling and determined concentration as to winning some good deal here, having to address anything up to 27 other groups of people at times too.

It is a wonder that today he could even wake up let alone get down to more business with his Cabinet.

I am actually really pleased to see Ian Duncan Smith has come out to vote to leave,that makes me really glad that I am on the opposite side to him again.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Conservative Peter Bone MP
has been on all the News and radio today
saying this Vote is Not a Westminster Bubble.
This is a Vote for all Homes and Villages in the UK.

Leaflets and Door To Door
has now started

Thursday 23rd of June 2016
You all must vote

Urgh not old bone what they rolled him out for, no private members bill to hold up proceedings with today?

[arista]

Ch4HDNews Live from Westminster at 6:30PM 28mins

BBC2HD & BBC2 has change the 6PM slot for a Special on EU but only 28mins

SkyNewsHD 7pm 52mins Live Special Adam Bolton.

[Kizzy]

Your party not exactly united on this are they dave?...
https://tompride.files.wordpress.com...vil-war-eu.png

[arista]

BBCNews Live now a Special Dateline
as the daytime one was stopped due to Live News

[T*]

Drop me out

[T*]

No but really I'm quite pissed off that I'm not allowed to bloody vote
What a farce
I try to stay out of anything political but when it is something that may change the state of my country I would like a say

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Tom*

No but really I'm quite pissed off that I'm not allowed to bloody vote
What a farce
I try to stay out of anything political but when it is something that may change the state of my country I would like a say

why can't you vote? are you in prison?

[bitontheslide]

I will do a bitontheslide day 1 prediction and state that it will be a comfortable OUT vote. The country has been restless toward the EU since the 70's, as a nation we are generally a bit pissed off with life, the EU is a perfect target. Out it will be.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I will do a bitontheslide day 1 prediction and state that it will be a comfortable OUT vote. The country has been restless toward the EU since the 70's, as a nation we are generally a bit pissed off with life, the EU is a perfect target. Out it will be.

Really?
What due to all those Village voters that will vote
and Lack of Lazy Students
who will not bother to vote

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I will do a bitontheslide day 1 prediction and state that it will be a comfortable OUT vote. The country has been restless toward the EU since the 70's, as a nation we are generally a bit pissed off with life, the EU is a perfect target. Out it will be.

I disagree, I think it'll be similar to the Scottish referendum and they'll be a lot of cold feet.

[T*]

Originally Posted by lostalex

why can't you vote? are you in prison?

No the government blocked off the plans to let 16/17 year olds vote

[joeysteele]

I can only base what I say now on what I have tried to dig out myself and I now have no faith in polling at all from the official sources.
However,I think in likelihood that it may well be that the UK overall prefers staying in by at least 55% to likely the other 45% for leaving.

However,I really can see the votes of those wanting to stay in, not getting the full turnout whereas those against staying in will vote no matter what.
I can also see that the 3 other Nations of the UK will near certainly vote to stay in,the regions and most cities of England voting to stay in too from the North to the Midlands.
Then the far South outside of London, actually heavily voting to leave and resulting then in them carrying the vote to leave overall by a small margin, even by just 51% to 49%.

Unless David Cameron and those advocating staying in really whip up the support and enthusiasm for the yes voters to get out and vote,then I can really see greater chaos looming after this referendum is over.

My main message at this time right up to polling day now will be to those who think staying in is or maybe is the best and safest option, to please make sure they go out and vote.
Never think your vote doesn't matter or won't count.
Here on this issue, it is vital and anyone who has doubts at all that the UK would be better off out of the EU,I hope they will go out and vote to stay in.

[arista]

Ch4HD News on now Kate Hoey Labour
who wants out.

And they took no ads

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Ch4HD News on now Kate Hoey Labour
who wants out.

And they took no ads

Now for some reason Kate Hoey does my head in.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Now for some reason Kate Hoey does my head in.

You and me both Joey..mind you, she might win you the "IN" vote singlehandedly.
All the time she was speaking I thought of leaning the other way again.
One thing I have discovered today, I really don't know which way I am going to vote yet.
Once Alan Johnson whispers in my ear that will be it, putty in his hands.

[bitontheslide]

My thinking is that Cameron wouldn't have bothered with this re-negotiating phase if he thought IN would comfortably win without it. A lot of frustration has built up over the years since the 70's. We took a leap of faith then, and many feel they were conned by subsequent powers being surrendered to Brussels, lack of accountability and stupid amounts of waste with butter mountains etc etc etc.

Given this will be the last time those that voted in the 70's will get a chance to influence things, I think they will take their chance and correct the decision made in the 70's, and that is the group that would normally support the status quo

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I actually do give him applause for some things I didn't myself think he would ever be able to get.

Now I really hope he can convince those eligible voters,to back his position and support staying in the EU.
He a year or so ago,seemed not so committed to the EU as he has become now over these last few months so he clearly has had a new dawn break probably on him after looking hard at life outside the EU for the UK.

There are many other things I wish he had a new dawn on too but right now,if he gets the result of this referendum he is recommending to the UK, this will certainly for me, be his finest achievement.

I think he actually did more than expected and furthermore, the possible ongoing thing from this is that a good number of the other Nations in the EU may take a closer look at things too from what he has started with these negotiations for the UK.

Yes definitely, credit where credit is due and he warrants all the credit he may get from this effort.

Good stuff Joey, think its important that the In campaign do represent a united a stance and support the PMs position even if they disagree with him on everything else, could make a big difference considering how fractured the Out campaign is already with three different groups all knocking lumps out of each other

[arista]

[MTVN]

Gove is by far the biggest blow to both the PM and the In campaign, I was also slightly surprised about Patel. IDS is still quite influential within the party but not beyond. The other three are pretty uninspiring politicians and won't make much impact either way.

Think Boris will eventually declare for In tomorrow evening