[Will.]

Ive asked a few people, I never knew people were sensitive over the matter, I been told off for asking family etc. If someone asked me I wouldn't care, I would just say! But I respect peoples views, do you take it personally?

[Livia]

Lots of people keep it to themselves because it's an emotive subject. For instance, there is a phenomena called 'Silent Conservatives'. They vote Tory but won't say they do probably because of the howling hysteria of the left. They feel they'll be harangued for exercising their freedom to vote for whomever they please because they would be harangued by the left.

[smudgie]

No.
We are all entitled to our personal beliefs when it comes down to it.
At the same time I try not to give my opinions on it unless I am asked.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Lots of people keep it to themselves because it's an emotive subject. For instance, there is a phenomena called 'Silent Conservatives'. They vote Tory but won't say they do probably because of the howling hysteria of the left. They feel they'll be harangued for exercising their freedom to vote for whomever they please because they would be harangued by the left.

That's not true I'm on the left and many of my friends and family are conservatives :/ I grew up in a little blue oasis in Leeds.... I don't harangue anyone.
I believe it's just personal principles, and like other personal information many like to keep it private.

[AnnieK]

I was always taught that your political leanings should be private. My parents never discussed who they voted for and I honestly have no idea who they voted. I do the same and don't disclose

[MTVN]

I don't and it's one of my pet hates when people are incapable of respecting someone else's view or having a reasonable discussion about it, they think they're being passionate and principled but it really just smacks of political immaturity. Apart from anything else it's just tedious if you only talk about issues with people you agree with and shout down anyone else. It's particularly prominent in universities I think which is unfortunate; it's good to have students engaged with politics but it's often needlessly hostile. I do also agree with Livia that the silent Tory phenomenon is quite widespread.

[Kyle]

The arguing and name calling I've seen on Facebook has been nothing short of pathetic. I thought it was bad enough from my Scottish side of the family after the indepenance vote but this has been just as bad.

[Kizzy]

The conservative are far from silent here...

'Labour supporting JK Rowling has been on the receiving end of horrific online abuse after a the Tories' nationawide majority and the SNP's landslide victory in Scotland.

Instead of taking the chance to be happy and celebrate, a few people appear to have taken great relish in hurling gloating obscenities at the Harry Potter author.'

My personal fave... 'Well she needs to stop putting her point across when she doesn't have a clue how much upset she causes'

I thought she meant me for a min


http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015...n_7243710.html

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's not true I'm on the left and many of my friends and family are conservatives :/ I grew up in a little blue oasis in Leeds.... I don't harangue anyone.
I believe it's just personal principles, and like other personal information many like to keep it private.

It may be true on both sides, but I for one have definitely seen a massive (and quite disgusting) backlash against the tories this year. One of my 'friends' on FB even made a shirt saying '**** David Cameron' to wear around uni. I bet she couldn't even tell us 5 reasons why she hates him.

I literally find it disgusting, just as I would with any other candidate. If someone said something awful about the way Ed Miliband talks then that would piss me off too.

If people are too immature to talk about politics without getting personal (e.g, YOU LIKE THIS PARTY SO YOU ARE XXXXIST!!!!') then they shouldn't get involved in politics at all. Some of the things I've seen against the Tories has been disgusting. Some of it even on this forum :/

[Ninastar]

oh and in answer to the thread, yes, people taking voting WAY too seriously.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

Lots of people keep it to themselves because it's an emotive subject. For instance, there is a phenomena called 'Silent Conservatives'. They vote Tory but won't say they do probably because of the howling hysteria of the left. They feel they'll be harangued for exercising their freedom to vote for whomever they please because they would be harangued by the left.

Yes they are Pathetic

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Chaos

It may be true on both sides, but I for one have definitely seen a massive (and quite disgusting) backlash against the tories this year. One of my 'friends' on FB even made a shirt saying '**** David Cameron' to wear around uni. I bet she couldn't even tell us 5 reasons why she hates him.

I literally find it disgusting, just as I would with any other candidate. If someone said something awful about the way Ed Miliband talks then that would piss me off too.

If people are too immature to talk about politics without getting personal (e.g, YOU LIKE THIS PARTY SO YOU ARE XXXXIST!!!!') then they shouldn't get involved in politics at all. Some of the things I've seen against the Tories has been disgusting. Some of it even on this forum :/

Not sure why you've quoted me here, I know there are people who harangue those opposed to their beliefs on both sides and would never suggest otherwise.
I haven't seen anything directed towards anyone personally on here, there has been posts that question or disagree with their ideology quite a bit

[joeysteele]

I would always say my political leanings, asked or not.

Many have reasons as to how they arrived at their political leanings and in my view it is good to share those views and reasons.
However no one should be forced to reveal their political leanings,and/or be derided for them if they do or decide not to.

To the right,(oh how I hate these silly childish terms),or left of politics the fact one is one or the other should not stifle debate and should not bring personal derision for that view.

I feel people don't discuss and debate and often get into heated debate, enough as to politics.
Politics is life, what happens in politics by politicians affect everyones lives and it is unwise in my view, to not discuss the effects of politics and the actions of politicians in our lives.

Over the last 3 years at least, I have had some really fierce,often acidic, criticism and even dismay among my family and even friends at my change of political loyalty.
My family, particularly angry and I mean angry in conversation, that I could even consider voting Labour over Conservatives or Lib Dems.

As it happens by the time we got to this last year, most had joined me.
Had we never discussed it, such change may never have come but my reasons for change,I never stopped going on about.
This helped make them look at the things I had said, and they then found themselves agreeing in part or wholly,and also changing.

So I am always happy to discuss politics,if I was ever ashamed or felt I couldn't discuss the side of politics I was supporting, then maybe I would not be in effect supporting the correct party or side of politics.
I also love to talk to opposites to my view too,I do my best to respect all views,if I can,sometimes however, passions get carried away at times.
As they do in all things really.

Having said that,on either side of the political spectrum,if you have been heavily and actively involved in politics and particularly elections,fighting really hard for an outcome you have come to really believe in and want badly.
Then you will likely defend that position very strongly, and flippancy and ungracious attitude,in defeat or victory for one side over the other,especially from those who know your leanings during such a process, is near impossible not to hit you personally.

I studied politics at Uni, I watched ny first general election when I was 5 with my Dad,the first night I was allowed to be up all night.
I am only 23, most of what I have done in life has had me talking about and engaging in politics.

I would actually recommend it,if more were able to be involved and open about politics, we may get situations that do in fact, 'really benefit the many and not just the few'.(sorry, had to get that in).

[Livia]

Of course, the other thing about people who harangue people is that, they can never see they're doing it. Or at least they can never acknowledge it.

[arista]

But Ed Miliband
could never ever win
he was the wrong leader

Thats 2 in a row

They need New Labour back
or Die

[arista]

On BBC Dateline debate today
and SkyNewsHD debates
they are saying Ed destroyed all the hard work of New Labour
because he went back to Kinnock failed policy


And kizzy thought it would work?

[Livia]

I can't believe they stuck with Miliband, arista. They seemed to be in denial.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

I can't believe they stuck with Miliband, arista. They seemed to be in denial.

All those USA type set ups on TV
must have tricked them.



The best bit of Ed is him
running round to the back door
to avoid angry SNP Red Tory gang

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

On BBC Dateline debate today
and SkyNewsHD debates
they are saying Ed destroyed all the hard work of New Labour
because he went back to Kinnock failed policy


And kizzy thought it would work?

Yes, yes I did arista, how about you stick to voicing your own opinion and I'll add mine as and when I see fit?
Then we won't get anyone commenting on what they think you think I think.

[Denver]

Im livid all those hours walking the country and knocking on doors and still my TIBB Party failed to get a vote

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

But Ed Miliband
could never ever win
he was the wrong leader

Thats 2 in a row

They need New Labour back
or Die

The last thing we need is a 'new' Labour tag back.

The reason too we stuck with Ed Miliband is Labour doesn't like to be seen really doing hatchet jobs in getting rid of leaders.

Maybe he was the wrong choice, just as Ian Duncan Smith,William Hague and Michael Howard, clearly were for the Conservatives.

Labour leaders once elected to the position however do get the chance to fight an election.
I actually applaud that,they even stuck with Neil Kinnock after a bad election defeat in 1987,letting him have another go in 1992.

Some might scoff at, laugh at or deride that happening but for me it looks far better than plotting the fall of a leader,behind their back, who had won 3 elections as with Margaret Thatcher.
While she was away fighting the UKs corner in Europe.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yes, yes I did arista, how about you stick to voicing your own opinion and I'll add mine as and when I see fit?
Then we won't get anyone commenting on what they think you think I think.

Very well put Kizzy.

It could have worked,Kinnock commanded a lot of respect in the Labour party and perhaps Ed's ideals were more founded on his than Blair's.
Kinnock didn't get the full reward and credit for the way he transformed the Labour party.

Blair turned it into a milder form of the Conservative party and that is something I would hate the Labour party to try to do again.
No more daft tags like 'new' Labour for me. No thank you.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Not sure why you've quoted me here, I know there are people who harangue those opposed to their beliefs on both sides and would never suggest otherwise.
I haven't seen anything directed towards anyone personally on here, there has been posts that question or disagree with their ideology quite a bit

I quoted you because you said this "That's not true I'm on the left and many of my friends and family are conservatives :/ I grew up in a little blue oasis in Leeds.... I don't harangue anyone." in regards to Livia's post about Tory hate... I was just saying that it's actually very true and is just plain awful on social media.

You might not make ridiculous claims... but other people certainly do.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Chaos

I quoted you because you said this "That's not true I'm on the left and many of my friends and family are conservatives :/ I grew up in a little blue oasis in Leeds.... I don't harangue anyone." in regards to Livia's post about Tory hate... I was just saying that it's actually very true and is just plain awful on social media.

You might not make ridiculous claims... but other people certainly do.

Ah right, I commented because I feel I'm the silent left maybe at times... I see pro tory comments and I think ' AW COME ON!!!! I can't believe I shared a womb with you buddy!!!

[Scarlett.]

My family vote Tories, I vote Labour, I don't have any problem with them doing so, it's their right and choice to vote who they think is best.