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22-05-2015, 02:40 PM | #51 | |||
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22-05-2015, 02:40 PM | #52 | |||
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As for "a dog is not human", we're all very aware. How that makes drowning it any less reprehensible is beyond me. |
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22-05-2015, 02:44 PM | #53 | ||
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Not so common for them to result in something so drastically violent but it doesn't necessarily say anything at all about the "sort of person" involved. As for the cover-up, I would call that entirely natural and actually psychologically positive. It means that in all likelihood he instantly realised what he had done and how awful it was, so set about covering it up. The truth is, the vast majority of people would do just that if they realised they had done something shameful like that. A lot of people would do it even if what had happened was an accident like hitting a pet with a car, even people who would insist before the fact "Oh I definitely wouldn't I would find the owners and tell them!". Guilt is a strange and unpredictable motivator. It would be much MORE worrying if he had started bellowing over the fence at the house about what he had done, or simply left the dog there and gone on about his day. That would, for me, demonstrate that he didn't understand at all the gravity of his actions. He didn't do a very good job of covering it up at all, which suggests a panic after it was already done rather than any premeditated action. I guess it sounds like I'm trying to make excuses... I'm not, I think he definitely needs help on some level. I just, as always, don't believe in "folks who are just plain evil" and think it's important to understand why things like this happen in the first place rather than simply wringing hands in the aftermath. |
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22-05-2015, 02:45 PM | #54 | |||
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I never said you didn't...I just wondered why you focused on the effects of prison when replying to my quote :/
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22-05-2015, 02:48 PM | #55 | ||
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If you in all absolute seriousness would, in a hypothetical situation, trade the life of a human child (even on that you don't personally know) for your own dog, then you are either a liar or a sociopath. |
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22-05-2015, 02:50 PM | #56 | ||
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If it was calculated they wouldn't have found it in his house. They would have never found it at all.
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22-05-2015, 02:51 PM | #57 | |||
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She said a dog's life is just as important to her as a human's. Where is this nonsense about trading a human child for a dog coming from? Maybe stick to what people are actually saying instead of utterly twisting their words. Last edited by Lostie!; 22-05-2015 at 02:52 PM. |
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22-05-2015, 02:52 PM | #58 | |||
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I'd trade the life of a human adult (that i don't personally know) though. I'm certainly not a liar so if that makes me a sociopath then i'd happily take that label Upon reflection, said human adult could be a mother or a father, don't think i could do that to someones family. I don't really know where your question came from but i can't give a proper answer because i've never been in a situation where i've had to choose (nor do i ever want to be), so i don't know what i'd do, i'd probably kill myself so i didn't have to make the decision. Last edited by Dollface; 22-05-2015 at 03:00 PM. |
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22-05-2015, 02:56 PM | #59 | |||
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Of Course But a non stop barking dog left to bark made the next door man Snap. Ammi just told me it was for a Disabled Girl as if that makes any change to the dogs non stop barking Last edited by arista; 22-05-2015 at 02:56 PM. |
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22-05-2015, 02:56 PM | #60 | |||
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I'll happily answer it though, i don't care if i look like a "sociopath". My dogs are my family. |
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22-05-2015, 02:58 PM | #61 | |||
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And hypothetically prioritising a pet you love and care for over an adult human stranger isn't strange at all, I'd wager that the majority of pet owners would say the same. Well, the ones who truly care for their pets and class them as family, anyway. |
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22-05-2015, 02:59 PM | #62 | |||
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What happens when is does die as normal life of the dog? |
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22-05-2015, 03:00 PM | #63 | |||
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It happens quite frequently in animal debates, people like to pluck non-existent quotes out of mid-air and suggest that animal lovers have no regard for human life at all, despite nothing of the sort being suggested.
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22-05-2015, 03:01 PM | #64 | |||
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22-05-2015, 03:03 PM | #65 | |||
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I don't know what i'd do in that situation so tbh it's all just guessing. |
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22-05-2015, 03:03 PM | #66 | |||
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Sadly, killing pets, particularly dogs is a pretty common occurrence both here and abroad. The usual method is poisoning, something that happened to one of my dogs once, and she didn't bark at all. I think there are just some very cruel and nasty people around.
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22-05-2015, 03:03 PM | #67 | ||
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And likewise, apparently, people would like to paint someone who killed a dog in a moment of rage out to be evil and unthinkable beasts because. That's why it's relevant. People's ideas about what the appropiate response in this case is are wildly distorted. No one gives a **** when an exterminator sets traps to kill rats that have "invaded their home", because in their bubble "rats are a pest" and what do you do with pests? Kill 'em! Not a second thought. Rats are just as intelligent as dogs. Are their lives worth less than a dog's? Why is it OK to kill a rat that's annoying you but not a dog that's annoying you? And then why not a human that's annoying you? Becaaauuuse.... Some lives are worth more than others. There's no other explanation. |
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22-05-2015, 03:04 PM | #68 | |||
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22-05-2015, 03:08 PM | #69 | |||
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Yep some lives are worth more than others. My innocent, loving dogs and rats lives are worth a lot more than some humans lives. A good example would be this here man that killed Meg the dog, his life is worth no where near as much as my dogs and rats lives are worth. Last edited by Dollface; 22-05-2015 at 03:12 PM. |
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22-05-2015, 03:08 PM | #70 | |||
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What's with all the bizarre hypotheticals? :/
This was just some bloke who as he stated in a moment of madness snapped and killed a dog then dug about in it's flesh for a chip so he could dispose of it without detection. How anyone here feels about their pets is entirely irrelevant.
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22-05-2015, 03:11 PM | #71 | |||
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22-05-2015, 03:12 PM | #72 | ||
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Here's another scenario, although I'm not sure they're all that helpful: You're driving through your town. Little bobby, your pet dog who has somehow escaped from home, runs out into the road. In a split second, you realise that if you brake, it'll be too late and you'll still hit the dog. If you swerve, however, you'll hit a pedestrian. Do you brake or swerve? NO ONE would realistically swerve! Anyone who would shouldn't be on the bloody road... |
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22-05-2015, 03:12 PM | #73 | |||
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Here's a tip, get the facts before running your mouth and never think you have the authority to speak for me, because you absolutely don't. So, a human who isn't a good person is worth more than a valued, cherished pet automatically because they're a human? How happy I am that I don't share this mindset. Last edited by Lostie!; 22-05-2015 at 03:13 PM. |
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22-05-2015, 03:13 PM | #74 | ||
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22-05-2015, 03:15 PM | #75 | |||
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TS, arista, etc. I think we're going to just have to agree to disagree. |
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