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arista · 08-06-2015, 06:47 AM

http://news.sky.com/story/1497961/ca...n-eu-or-resign

He is calling their bluff
well done Dave

[ PM David Cameron has told Eurosceptic ministers
they will be forced to quit
if they want to campaign for the UK to leave the European Union.]

He is not doing the Harold Wilson move in the 1970's

Of Course its still up to the Public on that Day
we Vote in Late 2017

joeysteele · 08-06-2015, 09:48 AM

IF he gets some reforms he is saying they have to do that.

He is right however,they should toe the line and already over the last 2 years, some have indicated they could be tempted to vote to leave.
In 1975, the Cabinet was given freedom to campaign for one side or the other.
That also was right at that time.

My worry as to David Cameron's negotiation process is that he is not clearly defining what it is his aims are and on what.
We all need to see all that very clearly outlined as to the full aims he is seeking to re-negotiate on and then to have the result he got, if any, alongside at the end of the negotiations.
Otherwise how can anyone measure any success he has had or failure too.

That will cause him the biggest headache with the Conservative party.
I am just glad to hear him talk more positive as to the EU now and hope he is able to ensure a 'yes' result to staying in too.

arista · 08-06-2015, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joeysteele

IF he gets some reforms he is saying they have to do that.

He is right however,they should toe the line and already over the last 2 years, some have indicated they could be tempted to vote to leave.
In 1975, the Cabinet was given freedom to campaign for one side or the other.
That also was right at that time.

My worry as to David Cameron's negotiation process is that he is not clearly defining what it is his aims are and on what.
We all need to see all that very clearly outlined as to the full aims he is seeking to re-negotiate on and then to have the result he got, if any, alongside at the end of the negotiations.
Otherwise how can anyone measure any success he has had or failure too.

That will cause him the biggest headache with the Conservative party.
I am just glad to hear him talk more positive as to the EU now and hope he is able to ensure a 'yes' result to staying in too.

Yes it appears the German Woman
is going to help Dave

joeysteele · 08-06-2015, 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista

Yes it appears the German Woman
is going to help Dave

He has my whole support on this issue,I hope he can and think he 'must' do enough to make sure we don't go down the chaos that will come with a 'no' result.

Kizzy · 08-06-2015, 10:32 AM

Praying this becomes a reality

'The Telegraph has identified six senior Tories who it thinks could resign over Europe. It’s a slightly odd list, because it includes Boris Johnson, who has not got a government job he could resign from (although he does attend political cabinet). The other names are: Philip Hammond, Sajid Javid, Michael Gove, Michael Fallon and Iain Duncan Smith.'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-politics-live

Kizzy · 08-06-2015, 11:21 AM

'Cameron withdraws threat to sack Brexit ministers in EU referendum U-turn

The lobby briefing was over. And we got a major story.

David Cameron has withdrawn his threat to sack ministers who want to campaign for an EU exit.
Number 10 says his comments yesterday were “over-interpreted” and that he was just talking about ministers having to abide by collective responsibility during the negotiation process. Journalists at the prime minister’s briefing do not accept that they misrepresented his words, and the transcript supports their account.
Number 10 says Cameron has not yet decided whether or not ministers will be sacked if they oppose Britain staying in the EU during the renegotiation.'

arista · 08-06-2015, 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy

'Cameron withdraws threat to sack Brexit ministers in EU referendum U-turn

The lobby briefing was over. And we got a major story.

David Cameron has withdrawn his threat to sack ministers who want to campaign for an EU exit.
Number 10 says his comments yesterday were “over-interpreted” and that he was just talking about ministers having to abide by collective responsibility during the negotiation process. Journalists at the prime minister’s briefing do not accept that they misrepresented his words, and the transcript supports their account.
Number 10 says Cameron has not yet decided whether or not ministers will be sacked if they oppose Britain staying in the EU during the renegotiation.'

How Nice

Kizzy · 08-06-2015, 11:43 AM

In January Marr asked Cameron if he would give Conservative ministers the freedom to campaign for Britain to leave the EU in the propose referendum.

Cameron replied:

Well, there are Conservative Members of Parliament who want the leave the European Union come what may, but if you’re part of the government, then clearly you’re part of the team that is aiming for the renegotiation.

Marr then asked for clarification. “So you’re not going to do a free vote, as Labour did in the 1970s?”

Cameron repled:

No, I’ve set out that very clearly in the past.'

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/09012015.pdf

the truth · 08-06-2015, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Praying this becomes a reality

'The Telegraph has identified six senior Tories who it thinks could resign over Europe. It’s a slightly odd list, because it includes Boris Johnson, who has not got a government job he could resign from (although he does attend political cabinet). The other names are: Philip Hammond, Sajid Javid, Michael Gove, Michael Fallon and Iain Duncan Smith.'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...-politics-live

praying? do you believe in God then? wow

as for Cameron here, hes making a right Horlicks of this, he needs to be taken seriously by the EU in order to strengthen his negotiating position, not roll over for them to tickle his belly

empire · 08-06-2015, 01:01 PM

cameron is digging his own hole, he is isolating his anti eu mps, and supporters, I see a large mount of defectors to ukip, from the tories if he forces them out,

arista · 08-06-2015, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by empire

cameron is digging his own hole, he is isolating his anti eu mps, and supporters, I see a large mount of defectors to ukip, from the tories if he forces them out,

No he has Corrected it at the Live G7 (Germany)
I have Changed the title.

No one is going to UKIP
The PM has the backing of all his party.

Meanwhile Farage has a Great Deal of Work to do.

Kizzy · 08-06-2015, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the truth

praying? do you believe in God then? wow

as for Cameron here, hes making a right Horlicks of this, he needs to be taken seriously by the EU in order to strengthen his negotiating position, not roll over for them to tickle his belly

I've never not believed in god.