[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Anyone who doesn't find this entertaining (i.e. the best judges vote in X Factor history and one of the best moments of the whole show ever) shouldn't be allowed to own a TV:

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That wasn't entertaining, it was wrong.

[Denver]

If only Rylan was eliminated first he would never be asked to do BB and wouldn't be BOTS host

[jackc1806]

Good on them for trying something new.

I'd have replaced Cheryl with a proper person though, Janet Jackson is touring again get ha to do it

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Liam-

That wasn't entertaining, it was wrong.

Carolynne was a bore and I was no raving fan of Rylan's but for entertainment purposes that decision needed to be made, and it was one of the best moments in X Factor history. Louis' scared face, Gary walking off, Dermot getting annoyed. Hilarious drama and is exactly what X Factor is all about.

[Liam-]

No, The X Factor is about talent, not judge drama.

[Jack_]

rofl anyone that thinks The X Factor is about talent really shouldn't be watching. I've said this for years, it isn't about talent, it's about the judges and it's about causing maximum drama and tension. Why people delude themselves every year into thinking it is a genuine talent competition only to get annoyed when things like that happen is beyond me. It hasn't been a talent show since about series 4/5.

If you want a genuine talent competition, watch The Voice. That show proves why favouring talent over entertainment and drama results in a ****ing boring programme.

I watch X Factor for entertainment because I know full well it's not about talent.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

rofl anyone that thinks The X Factor is about talent really shouldn't be watching. I've said this for years, it isn't about talent, it's about the judges and it's about causing maximum drama and tension. Why people delude themselves every year into thinking it is a genuine talent competition only to get annoyed when things like that happen is beyond me. It hasn't been a talent show since about series 4/5.

If you want a genuine talent competition, watch The Voice. That show proves why favouring talent over entertainment and drama results in a ****ing boring programme.

I watch X Factor for entertainment because I know full well it's not about talent.

This is what I did and I love the Voice so much more

[Denver]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/r...factor-5891922

Oh Rita

[Liam-]

That's purely your opinion, you can't expect everyone to see it like you do and call everyone who doesn't 'deluded' I don't watch it for the bust ups with the judges, or the backstage goss on who fancies who, that's all bull****, it's a talent show, the most talented doesn't always win, so it might be a bit of a popularity contest as well, but for me, the talent is the most important part of the show, so I will carry on watching and I will carry on having my opinion that the judge drama is a load of **** that shouldn't be focused on tyvm.

[Brother Leon]

That is definitely the worst panel to date.

[Ross.]

I loved Rita on The Voice, but I'm so disappointed in how she's jumped ship after one series.

Nick Grimshaw though

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

This is what I did and I love the Voice so much more

And that's fine, personally I want to be entertained when I watch TV and if I cared about 'talent' I'd watch it too, but I'm not bothered about musical talents when I can discover them myself as opposed to on a TV show. I want drama and entertainment and that's exactly what X Factor provides and has done for a very long time now

I honestly don't understand why every year people seem to believe that the X Factor it still about talent and get annoyed when decisions are made for ratings/press attention, and people fall for it, you're just giving them what they want

[zakman440]

It's a bit of a let down that they've replaced Mel B with Rita tbh, I really enjoyed Mel on the panel vastly more than I enjoyed Rita on The Voice. However, that isn't as great a dissapointment of having that prat Grimshaw replace Louis on the panel (you know, because it wasn't enough for him to kill Radio 1, now he has to drag X Factor down with him as well). I could handle Olly and Caroline replacing Dermot, but this really is shaping up to be one of the worst series of X Factor ever.

Here for them doing a Series 4 though and bringing Louis back after Grimshaw steps down

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

And that's fine, personally I want to be entertained when I watch TV and if I cared about 'talent' I'd watch it too, but I'm not bothered about musical talents when I can discover them myself as opposed to on a TV show. I want drama and entertainment and that's exactly what X Factor provides and has done for a very long time now

I honestly don't understand why every year people seem to believe that the X Factor it still about talent and get annoyed when decisions are made for ratings/press attention, and people fall for it, you're just giving them what they want

You say that like anyone who watches the Voice doesn't want to be entertained Jack and tbh I find that comment quite condescending. I do want to be entertained but what the X Factor offers as entertainment I personally don't find entertaining. I do however find listening to proper talent and not manufactured drama from the judges /humiliation of the token crap acts etc entertaining.

If you find the X Factor and that sort of thing entertaining then good for you, enjoy. What is and what isn't entertaining is quite subjective though

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Liam-

That's purely your opinion, you can't expect everyone to see it like you do and call everyone who doesn't 'deluded' I don't watch it for the bust ups with the judges, or the backstage goss on who fancies who, that's all bull****, it's a talent show, the most talented doesn't always win, so it might be a bit of a popularity contest as well, but for me, the talent is the most important part of the show, so I will carry on watching and I will carry on having my opinion that the judge drama is a load of **** that shouldn't be focused on tyvm.

It isn't an opinion, it's a fact. It's a primetime Saturday and Sunday night television show on the biggest commercial channel in Britain. Everything they do is for the purposes of entertainment, ratings, press attention and controversy. From the Rylan vs Carolynne decision, to the Lucie vs Jedward decision, to putting acts like Rylan, Wagner, Jonny, Jedward through in the first place, to Sharon storming off set during the judges vote, to Louis dragging decisions out to deadlock on purpose, the existence of 'Deadlock' and its dramatic flashy red graphics, even as far back as keeping Chico in and Simon sending one of his own acts home. These kind of things have been going for years and are clearly not the result of a show that favours talent over entertainment.

You can moan however much you want about all of these things being awful, but they're done because it's an entertainment show. You may as well accept it. The people who don't like it like Niamh should watch The Voice, and those who learn to accept it will find that they enjoy the show a whole lot more when they aren't getting annoyed about decisions which can be seen a mile off.

[Natalie.]

Not very pleased with Louis going. Grim has replaced Moyles and now the amazing Louis

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You say that like anyone who watches the Voice doesn't want to be entertained Jack and tbh I find that comment quite condescending. I do want to be entertained but what the X Factor offers as entertainment I personally don't find entertaining. I do however find listening to proper talent and not manufactured drama from the judges /humiliation of the token crap acts etc entertaining.

If you find the X Factor and that sort of thing entertaining then good for you, enjoy. What is and what isn't entertaining is quite subjective though

I wasn't trying to be condescending so please don't take it like that, I was being serious...if people want a genuine talent competition, they should watch The Voice. It was a compliment. That's what that show provides and that's fine, clearly some people are entertained by watching genuine talent...that was my point. But X Factor does not favour talent over the entertaining and dramatic aspects of the production and getting annoyed at it each and every series isn't going to change anything.

I'm not really interested in a talent competition, I want laughable, messy entertainment, so I watch X Factor. In terms of its credibility over the Voice it's clearly subpar, so I'm actually inadvertently criticising it.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Jack_

It isn't an opinion, it's a fact. It's a primetime Saturday and Sunday night television show on the biggest commercial channel in Britain. Everything they do is for the purposes of entertainment, ratings, press attention and controversy. From the Rylan vs Carolynne decision, to the Lucie vs Jedward decision, to putting acts like Rylan, Wagner, Jonny, Jedward through in the first place, to Sharon storming off set during the judges vote, to Louis dragging decisions out to deadlock on purpose, the existence of 'Deadlock' and its dramatic flashy red graphics, even as far back as keeping Chico in and Simon sending one of his own acts home. These kind of things have been going for years and are clearly not the result of a show that favours talent over entertainment.

You can moan however much you want about all of these things being awful, but they're done because it's an entertainment show. You may as well accept it. The people who don't like it like Niamh should watch The Voice, and those who learn to accept it will find that they enjoy the show a whole lot more when they aren't getting annoyed about decisions which can be seen a mile off.

Again no, you're telling me it's entertainment and everyone who watches it should deal with it, I don't find that entertaining in the slightest, but I'm still going to watch it, because I like the concept of the show and the show itself, I shouldn't be told to watch something else, because I'm not entertained by the judges egos and their own self importance.

I actually quite enjoy The Voice, again, for the talent, like i enjoy the X Factor and I don't enjoy being dictated to about what i should accept or not.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I wasn't trying to be condescending so please don't take it like that, I was being serious...if people want a genuine talent competition, they should watch The Voice. It was a compliment. That's what that show provides and that's fine, clearly some people are entertained by watching genuine talent...that was my point. But X Factor does not favour talent over the entertaining and dramatic aspects of the production and getting annoyed at it each and every series isn't going to change anything.

That's fair enough, I can accept that

Originally Posted by Jack_

I'm not really interested in a talent competition, I want laughable, messy entertainment, so I watch X Factor. In terms of its credibility over the Voice it's clearly subpar, so I'm actually inadvertently criticising it.

I have Big Brother for laughable, messy entertainment

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Again no, you're telling me it's entertainment and everyone who watches it should deal with it, I don't find that entertaining in the slightest, but I'm still going to watch it, because I like the concept of the show and the show itself, I shouldn't be told to watch something else, because I'm not entertained by the judges egos and their own self importance.

I actually quite enjoy The Voice, again, for the talent, like i enjoy the X Factor and I don't enjoy being dictated to about what i should accept or not.

Well you can carry on watching it, but decisions like this are going to continue to be made because it's an entertainment show. And when they're made, you're going to continue to get annoyed despite these decisions being seen a mile off. I don't really know why people would want to put themselves through that, but each to their own. The bottom line of this is though is that the X Factor is primarily an entertainment show masqueraded as a talent competition, and The Voice is a genuine talent show which in terms of actual talent is leagues and leagues above The X Factor.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Well you can carry on watching it, but decisions like this are going to continue to be made because it's an entertainment show. And when they're made, you're going to continue to get annoyed despite these decisions being seen a mile off. I don't really know why people would want to put themselves through that, but each to their own. The bottom line of this is though is that the X Factor is primarily an entertainment show masqueraded as a talent competition, and The Voice is a genuine talent show which in terms of actual talent is leagues and leagues above The X Factor.

I can't remember me saying anywhere that I got annoyed by these decisions though did I? You're just assuming I do

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Liam-

That wasn't entertaining, it was wrong.

Originally Posted by Liam-

I don't watch it for the bust ups with the judges, or the backstage goss on who fancies who, that's all bull****

Originally Posted by Liam-

I will carry on having my opinion that the judge drama is a load of ****

Originally Posted by Liam-

Again no, you're telling me it's entertainment and everyone who watches it should deal with it, I don't find that entertaining in the slightest

Originally Posted by Liam-

I'm not entertained by the judges egos and their own self importance.

Sounds like it annoys you to me. But even if 'annoyed' is the wrong term, clearly you don't like these decisions...so the point I made still stands.

[Liam-]

Yeah, I don't find it entertaining, which you're telling me I should do, but I don't complain about them, I'm not that sad.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jack_

rofl anyone that thinks The X Factor is about talent really shouldn't be watching. I've said this for years, it isn't about talent, it's about the judges and it's about causing maximum drama and tension. Why people delude themselves every year into thinking it is a genuine talent competition only to get annoyed when things like that happen is beyond me. It hasn't been a talent show since about series 4/5.

If you want a genuine talent competition, watch The Voice. That show proves why favouring talent over entertainment and drama results in a ****ing boring programme.

I watch X Factor for entertainment because I know full well it's not about talent.

Yass bang on, x factor isn't all about talent that's why people like andrea and sam baily piss me off with being the overrated bores.

[reece(:]

I thought that was Miley in the OP