[sampvt]

We all know its wrong but this week the noms are up for grabs due to the task and the bunker crew. However Danny, Cristian, chloe and their leader Jack, with Joel and nick in the background with jade, are setting up future noms by openly planning a vote strategy prior to the ensuing weeks nominations, which is bang wrong.

Why doesent BB do something as these twats are forming an unbroken alliance which will get them all into the finals.

[Jack_]

Talking about noms should not be against the rules anyway

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Talking about noms should not be against the rules anyway

But it is

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

But it is

...and it shouldn't be, which is my point.

Just because something's a rule or law doesn't make it right or mean we have to put up and shut up. Women voting used to be illegal, that doesn't mean it's right.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

...and it shouldn't be, which is my point.

Just because something's a rule or law doesn't make it right or mean we have to put up and shut up. Women voting used to be illegal, that doesn't mean it's right.

Careful Jack, weren't you telling people who watched X Factor yesterday that they should just stop watching if they weren't happy with the way they run it?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Careful Jack, weren't you telling people who watched X Factor yesterday that they should just stop watching if they weren't happy with the way they run it?

Nominations are largely irrelevant these days as are the rules so it's not really that much of an issue, X Factor concentrating on entertainment over talent is though, nice try

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Jack_

...and it shouldn't be, which is my point.

Just because something's a rule or law doesn't make it right or mean we have to put up and shut up.

Likewise, a show shouldn't have to change an aspect it's had since the day it started just because some viewers, who've chosen to watch the show regardless, decide they don't like it. They held a vote during BB13 and the overwhelming majority wanted the usual rule reinstated, so it was.

Originally Posted by Jack_

Women voting used to be illegal, that doesn't mean it's right.

Hardly comparable.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Talking about noms should not be against the rules anyway

Yes it should. This show is not strategy-based unlike BBUS/BBCan

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Yes it should. This show is not strategy-based unlike BBUS/BBCan

The show would be a lot better if it were strategy based as opposed to the mishmash of made up rules, manipulation, outside contact and embarrassing 'twists' that it is now

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The show would be a lot better if it were strategy based as opposed to the mishmash of made up rules, manipulation, outside contact and embarrassing 'twists' that it is now

I find that funny tbh, because Isn't the American version just as bad, if not worse for nonsensical twists and producer manipulation?

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I find that funny tbh, because Isn't the American version just as bad, if not worse for nonsensical twists and producer manipulation?

That's a fair point, but before the manipulation started on BBUS the pure game was a great format. No reason why we couldn't adopt it and drop the manipulation in the process. I mean the manipulation on BBUK is only designed to cause drama in the first place and that format would lend itself to natural drama so

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by sampvt

We all know its wrong but this week the noms are up for grabs due to the task and the bunker crew. However Danny, Cristian, chloe and their leader Jack, with Joel and nick in the background with jade, are setting up future noms by openly planning a vote strategy prior to the ensuing weeks nominations, which is bang wrong.

Why doesent BB do something as these twats are forming an unbroken alliance which will get them all into the finals.

[Niamh.]

Meh they don't need to talk about it to know that they're all going to be going for Marc, sam and Simon once they get their nomination rights back

[rionablue]

They should be reprimanded for it. We will have to see in tonights highlights show if any action was taken

[bots]

BB only takes action when it suits them to do so, they are never consistent

[BigBrotherfan4ever]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

BB only takes action when it suits them to do so, they are never consistent

This is very true especially since the move to channel 5

[waterhog]

there is difference about talking about noms and then talking about a pack mentality and sticking together - the question is - did they break the rules or bend them.?

[Marsh.]

I've always liked the "don't discuss nominations" rule. It stops the show being bogged down in tedious and so called "gameplay". BB15 gave us some kind of insight into BBUK as a full on gameshow and weeks like Chris being the secret power housemate were some of the worst BB I've ever seen.

Having said that, when they all nominate face to face week after week allowing them to follow the crowd, or play nominations into the house, and don't punish rule breaks and let people constantly get away with it allowing them then it's a largely irrelevant and pointless "rule" that is no longer even enforced.

[bots]

they seem happy to sacrifice the rules if it encourages confrontation, similarly, they enforced the rule with Nick and Jade to create their confrontation with the twins etc

[Marsh.]

Also, I don't see why BBUK should do things like that to morph into its American cousin.

Keep BBUK as BBUK please.

As if the "He/She is playing a game" talk isn't tedious enough.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Also, I don't see why BBUK should do things like that to morph into its American cousin.

Keep BBUK as BBUK please.

As if the "He/She is playing a game" talk isn't tedious enough.

Actually that's the best thing this show could do tbh

That talk makes me laugh because barely anyone on BBUK plays a game, but since people are so intent on discussing it every year, they may as well turn it into the game that it should be

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Actually that's the best thing this show could do tbh

That talk makes me laugh because barely anyone on BBUK plays a game, but since people are so intent on discussing it every year, they may as well turn it into the game that it should be

But there's already a BBUSA that does that, wouldn't you rather a variety and not two shows that are carbon copies of eachother?

Also, in reply to your last post to me, it does sound like, especially after reading this post that you're trying to change it into something different just like you accused people of doing yesterday regarding The X Factor

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

But there's already a BBUSA that does that, wouldn't you rather a variety and not two shows that are carbon copies of eachother?

Also, in reply to your last post to me, it does sound like, especially after reading this post that you're trying to change it into something different just like you accused people of doing yesterday regarding The X Factor

Not really anymore, no. I've had ten years now of watching the BBUK format, it's been good, I've enjoyed it, but let's be honest the show is going down the pan now and is a ten week long mishmash of rule changes and manipulation that doesn't make any sense and is planned hours in advance, and they're most likely never going to go back to the straightforward BBUK format, and the ratings are plummeting, so they may as well adopt something different for a trial run.

Also I'd like to see British people playing that game and I'd like to be given the chance to play myself. The majority of people cast for BBUK in its current state completely oppose the idea of 'playing a game' (for some reason) so if it actually became a game, it'd be interesting to see what they would do about it, who would lie to each other, who would struggle, etc etc.

I don't really understand your last paragraph but if I do then I never accused anyone of trying to change X Factor, just said that this is the way X Factor is and that if people don't agree with the principle of it favouring entertainment over talent, then I don't see why they'd watch? If they want to that's fine, just seems a bit strange to me.

Again, the same doesn't apply here for me because A) the nominations discussion rule is so lax anyway and noms barely ever happen that it's not so much of an issue and B) they will never adopt the US format, so I'll just have to deal with the show how it is, but we can all dream can't we?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Not really anymore, no. I've had ten years now of watching the BBUK format, it's been good, I've enjoyed it, but let's be honest the show is going down the pan now and is a ten week long mishmash of rule changes and manipulation that doesn't make any sense and is planned hours in advance, and they're most likely never going to go back to the straightforward BBUK format, and the ratings are plummeting, so they may as well adopt something different for a trial run.

Also I'd like to see British people playing that game and I'd like to be given the chance to play myself. The majority of people cast for BBUK in its current state completely oppose the idea of 'playing a game' (for some reason) so if it actually became a game, it'd be interesting to see what they would do about it, who would lie to each other, who would struggle, etc etc.

I don't really understand your last paragraph but if I do then I never accused anyone of trying to change X Factor, just said that this is the way X Factor is and that if people don't agree with the principle of it favouring entertainment over talent, then I don't see why they'd watch? If they want to that's fine, just seems a bit strange to me.

Again, the same doesn't apply here for me because A) the nominations discussion rule is so lax anyway and noms barely ever happen that it's not so much of an issue and B) they will never adopt the US format, so I'll just have to deal with the show how it is, but we can all dream can't we?

Jack i have no problem with you expressing your opinion about wanting to change the format of Big Brother (eventhough I disagree with you) but you can't in all honesty say that you wanting to change Big Brother UK into Big Brother USA is in anyway different to people wanting X Factor to be a bit more like The Voice lol it's the same difference but instead of letting people express changes they'd like to see on X Factor you tell them they should watch a different show.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Also, I don't see why BBUK should do things like that to morph into its American cousin.

Keep BBUK as BBUK please.

As if the "He/She is playing a game" talk isn't tedious enough.

I'm good with housemates making strategic nominations (like, nominating on the basis of who they think could win, etc), I actually think having more housemates who recognise that it's a competition and aren't afraid of admitting they want to win would be a good thing.

But I don't want open nomination discussion allowed and voting alliances formed, etc. I enjoy BBUS, but as a separate show entirely.