[Jason.]

24/7 live feed won't bring in more viewers. Well not much, anyway.

If I was Endemol, and I re-introduced 24/7 live feed, just for 1.7m viewers. I'd think it was a waste.

Considering it used to get 3 times more the ratings, with the same thing.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

A decade ago there was 24/7 live coverage, a good website and a production team that knew what they were doing. All of that could come back and help the show considerably but the fans have given up even though you now have the presenter calling out for it and a lot of people on twitter saying it should be brought back as well.

"Now"?

Those things have been happening for 4 years and.... no change.

Just as they actually listen and take 2 steps forward they do add something that takes them 10 steps back so the viewers giving up is naturally going to happen.

If they're not going to listen there's no point wasting more time.

But even when it comes to the viewers. Live feed won't increase those, the show is dying. It could survive quite fine without a feed but the way the entire show is managed brings it further down. Compare it to BB10, no live feed but still felt like old school BB. Everything is wrong with the current version.

[M X]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

They should try at least one civilian series with the 24/7 live feed. It depresses me how much "fans" of this show want to bury it when one of the most important aspects of it has never been used by Channel 5.

There's so many obvious things they could do in this age of social media on the internet and yet it all such a shambles. From the housemates chosen to the lack of updates to the ridiculous twists and constant interference.

The civilian series has been ruined by the bad decisions made for it, not because of the format, which has never really been tried.

CH5 would never bring back the live feed, because then they wouldn't be able to manipulate and edit the highlights to create the storylines they want.

It's a shame, but it's a reality.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by MB.

Which is why I said that in the next sentence.

Yes I saw that, but couldn't be bothered changing the post.

BB can't continue in its current state for many more years, and it'd be much more worth it for them to shift their focus solely to CBB whilst the civilian version is still a sinking ship.

I disagree. They will not get the best celebrities to do any longer than 4 - 5 weeks so there's still a huge gap in the summer (and BB is still their highest rated show for the longest period of time). The Civilian BB is in its current state for one reason alone and that is because of the complete lack of care that has been given to it and the brick wall these idiots have built up between it and the fans who have been asking for the live coverage, along with a few other things, for 5 years. The show can survive well enough if they reverse some of their decisions on these things. If they don't, then it's done. But I strongly suspect CBB will die with it. To be honest, whenever the producers put more of their focus into something, they just make it worse. They had a good format and they turned their back on it, and all their problems stem from that.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MB.

What? Fame Academy lasted two years, CBB has lasted fourteen. That comparison makes no sense.

CBB's by far Channel 5's biggest ratings hit, and they could get even better ratings if they put the money usually spent on civilian BB into it.

CBB would be dead if Civilian BB was cancelled as a lot of the people that watch CBB are fans of the Civilian series.

[Marsh.]

They will not get the best celebrities to do any longer than 4 - 5 weeks so there's still a huge gap in the summer

They have never got the "best celebrities" so I don't see the relevance?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

CBB would be dead if Civilian BB was cancelled as a lot of the people that watch CBB are fans of the Civilian series.

Considering the viewers of the civilian series are dwindling even further, I doubt it.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

CBB would be dead if Civilian BB was cancelled as a lot of the people that watch CBB are fans of the Civilian series.

Well that's completely not true if only for the fact that CBB gets double its ratings. Why do you think people would refuse to watch CBB if civilian BB was cancelled?

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Considering the viewers of the civilian series are dwindling even further, I doubt it.

Yeah, CBB got its highest C5 ratings this year and civilian BB's on course to get its lowest ratings ever. Do the maths.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by MB.

Well that's completely not true if only for the fact that CBB gets double its ratings. Why do you think people would refuse to watch CBB if civilian BB was cancelled?

Not even double anymore, TBH.

CBB15 is over 2m higher than BB16.
Sad.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

They have never got the "best celebrities" so I don't see the relevance?

Best celebrities by the standards of BB I mean. Look, Davidson and Hopkins are good people to get on. It's no surprise their series did as well as they did.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Best celebrities by the standards of BB I mean. Look, Davidson and Hopkins are good people to get on. It's no surprise their series did as well as they did.

You forgot Katie Price.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Beetlejuice

Best celebrities by the standards of BB I mean. Look, Davidson and Hopkins are good people to get on. It's no surprise their series did as well as they did.

CBB13 and CBB15 are Channel 5's highest rating CBBs, and they both had really good casts. Now, think what they could achieve if they pumped just some of the money saved from not doing BB into the casting.

[Marsh.]

But nobody's suggesting that CBB air for 10 weeks in the civilian's place through summer so whether the celebrities will only do 4 weeks is irrelevant.

Channel 5 only wanted CBB to begin with after its final series did extremely well on channel 4. Endemol insisted they came as a package but now I see they'd be justified in axing it considering its poor performance.

[Jason.]

Does anyone else think CBB can rate higher than 3.1m on Channel 5?

January CBB?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Considering the viewers of the civilian series are dwindling even further, I doubt it.

You don't think that CBB won't be affected in the ratings by Civilian BB's collapse in the ratings?

Beetlejuice is right, the only way to save the franchise is to bring the Live Feed back and stop this TOWIE/Geordie Shore **** as most people hate those shows.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

"Now"?

Those things have been happening for 4 years and.... no change.

Never anything as blatant as Emma last Sunday. And with the figures hitting an all time low and the fact the Channel does now have new owners...

Just as they actually listen and take 2 steps forward they do add something that takes them 10 steps back so the viewers giving up is naturally going to happen.

If they're not going to listen there's no point wasting more time.

But even when it comes to the viewers. Live feed won't increase those, the show is dying. It could survive quite fine without a feed but the way the entire show is managed brings it further down. Compare it to BB10, no live feed but still felt like old school BB. Everything is wrong with the current version.

BB10 was the death of Big Brother. It was the lowest rated series ever on Channel 4. Reliant on desperate stunts like this one such as bringing ex housemates back and Noirin's boyfriend in. And the reduced live coverage (there was still some) was bitterly complained about. The executive producer Phil Edgar Jones blamed the live coverage for its poor performance in an interview with Digital Spy.

[Jason.]

Bringing back live feed won't get the viewers over 2m, anyway.

BB14 was close enough, but still failed.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by BB6

Does anyone else think CBB can rate higher than 3.1m on Channel 5?

January CBB?

With the right casting, certainly. The only reason I think the ratings plateaued a little in January was because it went on for a week longer than usual and people weren't expecting that.

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

You don't think that CBB won't be affected in the ratings by Civilian BB's collapse in the ratings?

Well it hasn't so no.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

You don't think that CBB won't be affected in the ratings by Civilian BB's collapse in the ratings?

Beetlejuice is right, the only way to save the franchise is to bring the Live Feed back and stop this TOWIE/Geordie Shore **** as most people hate those shows.

No I don't think it would at all. CBB gets a huge audience that doesn't even bother with the civilian version which is long passed its prime.

Evidence in the fact that during its life on channel 5, CBB has INCREASED its viewership compared to civilian which has dropped lower and lower.

Live feed won't change that. The casuals turning away aren't interested in 24/7 feeds. They're just turned off by the general sh*tty production, casting etc.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by BB6

Does anyone else think CBB can rate higher than 3.1m on Channel 5?

January CBB?

Actually I think it could. I think every series of BB on Channel 5 could do better if they returned the live coverage.

But you have to consider that the people responsible for the shambles that is this years show are also responsible for the Celeb series and though people don't mind all the meddling as much in a 4 week show when people nominate get evicted and then get straight back to nominating again they will ultimately destroy the show in much the same way they have the civilian one.

[Jason.]

Originally Posted by MB.

With the right casting, certainly. The only reason I think the ratings plateaued a little in January was because it went on for a week longer than usual and people weren't expecting that.

Agree with that.
Plus it got too draining.

CBB15 should've lasted till Nadia's eviction, as after is when ratings dropped to like 2.9m.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by BB6

Agree with that.
Plus it got too draining.

CBB15 should've lasted till Nadia's eviction, as after is when ratings dropped to like 2.9m.

This.

That last week was like watching the same episode over and over again, even I couldn't finish the series.

[Beetlejuice]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No I don't think it would at all. CBB gets a huge audience that doesn't even bother with the civilian version which is long passed its prime.

Live feed won't change that. The casuals turning away aren't interested in 24/7 feeds. They're just turned off by the general sh*tty production, casting etc.

The ****ty production and casting is in part because of the lack of the live coverage imo. The desperate stunts are needed because people aren't able to get to know the housemates or keep up with what is going on. A show that once had a sense of urgency and immediacy about it has become very slow. That is devastating to a show that was once all about people being able to keep up with everything that was going on as it unfolded. That is particularly essential in the age of 24/7 social media.

[Marsh.]

Also, when the show came to channel 5 in 2011, lack of live feed was one of the main flaws in its format.

As it stands in 2015, live feed is the LEAST of its worries. EVERYTHING is wrong with it now.