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01-08-2015, 06:11 AM | #1 | |||
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...vate-land.html
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At the end of the day when you're drunk you know that you could potentially hurt someone, if that happens then you get locked up, it's as simple as that for me.
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01-08-2015, 07:14 AM | #2 | |||
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This was a tragic accident , trying to persecute the driver because he had had a few beers the night before is just vengeful and will not bring the boy back.
He is lucky he was on private land though or the state would be pushing for death by dangerous driving or careless driving and he would have to pay big time for this accident.
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01-08-2015, 07:59 AM | #3 | |||
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Whether the driver was drunk or not on private land is not the only point of relevance. There are numerous laws around health and safety at work which could result in prosecution for the driver and the owner of the business.
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01-08-2015, 08:51 AM | #4 | ||
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Amazing someone can be 'under the influence of drink' and kill someone by their 'negligence',then not even get charged with anything.
If my Dog attacked someone in my/his drive/garden,I could well go to jail for that and him get put down,depending on the seriousness of the attack. Crazy laws and even more crazy loopholes. Maybe those responsible for employing' the worker should be the one/s prosecuted for not making sure he was competent and sober enough to be in charge of any machinery in the first place. |
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01-08-2015, 09:03 AM | #5 | |||
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If the laws for dog attacks on private property can be changed then this can too, hopefully before anyone else dies.
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01-08-2015, 12:35 PM | #6 | |||
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01-08-2015, 02:47 PM | #7 | |||
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Also he may have had a high morning reading but he was not drunk..
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01-08-2015, 03:26 PM | #8 | |||
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He had over the legal limit of alcohol in his system, you may not feel that had an impact or impaired his driving, however many would.
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01-08-2015, 03:30 PM | #9 | |||
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Not a clue how they got away with it on the grounds that it is private land...considering that it is actually open to the public, surely they should be responsible for the safety of the said publc then.
If he was still double the limit then of course his reflexes etc would not be as should either. I would be looking to sue, the heartless ruddy owner would be top of the list. |
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01-08-2015, 05:35 PM | #10 | |||
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I always thought the law applied whether you were on private or public land.
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03-08-2015, 12:10 PM | #11 | ||
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1. As the owner of a mixed working farm and family fun farm there should have been sufficient "barriers in place to ensure that children cannot gain access to the "working farm " area. 2. In any line of business, if faulty equipment or buildings are found to have contributed to injury or death then the owners/directors of the organisation can be held criminally negligent. Irrespective of the fact that the driver of the tractor was not on a public road, the fact that the owner allowed somebody who was over twice the legal alcohol limit to drive a tractor in a vicinity where members of the public had access to, is just as much an offence as if the tractor had no brakes or some other serious fault. |
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03-08-2015, 12:13 PM | #12 | ||
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"Ian Broadband, the owner, said " he did not think the fact that his employee was over the alcohol limit had made the slightest bit of difference"
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03-08-2015, 12:24 PM | #13 | |||
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Seems like a tragic accident for everyone involved. You would not think that having a few pints the night before working on a farm where you've been for 30 years would ever result in this and by the sounds of it it was not proven that his alcohol level was the primary cause of the death, an unsupervised young child on a working farm behind a tractor reversing with a large trailer is a recipe for disaster at the best of times. The driver will have to live with this for the rest of his life.
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03-08-2015, 12:43 PM | #14 | |||
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'A breathalyser test at the scene showed Mr Green had 90 micrograms of alcohol in 100ml of breath. The legal limit is 35 micrograms.
He was not at the inquest in Leeds on medical grounds. But in a statement read to the hearing he admitted drinking four pints in a pub after work the previous day, before ‘some cans’ of beer while watching television until 2am.' He was almost 3 times over and had been drinking until 2am, it's not a stretch to presume his reactions would be affected by this.
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03-08-2015, 01:22 PM | #15 | |||
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Controversial opinion but would it be unfair to prosecute the man for drunk driving if they dont prosecute the woman for breaking an entrance onto private land?
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03-08-2015, 01:45 PM | #16 | ||
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03-08-2015, 05:50 PM | #17 | |||
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03-08-2015, 05:52 PM | #18 | |||
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We have a family close to me who own a farm and lost a two year old when his grandfather backed a tractor and trailer and accidentally drove over him. He was sober. Farms are dangerous places. I feel very sorry for the child and for the family in this story but you wouldn't allow your child to play unsupervised in a car park... which would also be classed as private land. |
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03-08-2015, 09:12 PM | #19 | ||
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Then I 100% agree with you,any loss of life of a child is not acceptable and if this worker had been drinking until 2 am after already been out drinking too, then he should not have ever been in charge of anything mechanical the next day and certainly not driving anything,private land or otherwise, whatsoever. Last edited by joeysteele; 03-08-2015 at 09:21 PM. |
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07-08-2015, 09:04 AM | #20 | ||
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I agree with everyone’s views and especially that you can’t simply compensate someone’s life with any quantum of punishment or money and the worst part is that he is let go due to the loophole. I have worked with a Los Angeles DUI attorney and things worked quite differently there. I think it’s high time we must evolve our laws to plug such loopholes.
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07-08-2015, 09:33 AM | #21 | |||
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I think I'm the only one who understands why the farmer wasn't charged. It's his own private land... He didn't expect a child to be playing in his fields (which could count as trespassing) and he has the right to put his own self in as much danger as he likes. Stupid, but he now has to suffer with this for the rest of his life, which I'm sure is punishment enough.
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07-08-2015, 09:43 AM | #22 | |||
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'As we approach the 2 year anniversary of Harry's death, we are only now beginning to understand the full circumstances surrounding the tragedy.
It has been extremely distressing for the family to listen to the evidence that has been presented to the Coroner and the Jury over the past 2 days. In particular, the fact that the driver of the tractor was over twice the legal limit when tested at the police station some 2 hours after the collision. Plus in the police investigator's opinion, Harry was there to be seen had the appropriate observations been made, both before and during the manoeuvre. It is a legal anomaly that because the accident took place on private property, rather than a public road or public place, there can be no criminal prosecution arising from Harry's death.' I understand the child was killed needlessly.
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07-08-2015, 11:34 AM | #23 | |||
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That said, I am very sorry for the parents' loss. |
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07-08-2015, 12:46 PM | #24 | |||
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Was the part the parents were to blame greater than the part played by the drunk tractor driver who wasn't looking where he was going.
This case is simple in as much as if he had been on a public highway the guy would be in jail now. Nobody has to be a lawyer to read the points of an inquiry and have an opinion, it's a discussion forum.
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07-08-2015, 09:47 PM | #25 | |||
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He was on his own land private so could basically do what he wants put his own life at risk it's his business
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