[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The House of Commons does.
Often there are many in the chamber and very few are called to speak or even try to speak, all the rest are doing is listening, to the debate.
The only active bit comes at the very end when a division takes place and they have to actually then get up and go and vote through the lobbies.

But that is not their entire job, Joey. It's a tiny fraction of what an MP does as you know. But I'm not just referring to MPs, I'm asking... who is taking their baby to work? Who is employing someone to do a job, while they care for their child? To breast feeding in the Chamber you have to have your baby with you at work. If someone wants to breastfeed in the Stranger's Gallery that's an entirely different thing and as far as I'm concerned.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Do you think you could do all that and care for a baby at the same time?

We are talking about feeding a baby and breastfeeding in this thread.
the objection by the MPs was to a baby being breastfed not necessarily the baby being there at all.
had the female MP been bottle feeding there may have been no main grumbling.

Would I take a baby to work no, should a woman who breastfeeds her baby be condemned and pilloried for doing so and feeding her baby when baby needed to be fed, no equally.
It is amazing what people can do when they have to or need to and Mothers are often unsung heroes as to many forms of multi tasking, I know that from watching my own Mum.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

We are talking about feeding a baby and breastfeeding in this thread.
the objection by the MPs was to a baby being breastfed not necessarily the baby being there at all.
had the female MP been bottle feeding there may have been no main grumbling.

Would I take a baby to work no, should a woman who breastfeeds her baby be condemned and pilloried for doing so and feeding her baby when baby needed to be fed, no equally.
It is amazing what people can do when they have to or need to and Mothers are often unsung heroes as to many forms of multi tasking, I know that from watching my own Mum.

Yes, my own mother had a career. I don't believe in babies at work at all. That's it, the crux of my opinion. I have nothing more to add.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

But that is not their entire job, Joey. It's a tiny fraction of what an MP does as you know. But I'm not just referring to MPs, I'm asking... who is taking their baby to work? Who is employing someone to do a job, while they care for their child? To breast feeding in the Chamber you have to have your baby with you at work. If someone wants to breastfeed in the Stranger's Gallery that's an entirely different thing and as far as I'm concerned.

Well who is to say she was carrying the baby around all areas of Parliament anyway.
Do you know if the baby was in the chamber all the time with her and if the baby was why then did some MPs complain only at the feeding arrangement.

She was feeding the baby when it needed it and her baby is being breastfed,why shouldn't she be able to do her job otherwise and still be able to honour her duty as a Mother to breastfeed her baby for a short time when the Baby is content with that.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yes, my own mother had a career. I don't believe in babies at work at all. That's it, the crux of my opinion. I have nothing more to add.

I think if it can be arranged Mothers should be able to take their baby to work,so we disagree on that anyway.
Especially moreso if they are away near all week like MPs are from their home areas,and if they have managed to get their baby breastfed why should the baby have to be forced to take something else as feed just to please some grumbling dinosaurs of a few MPS.

[Kizzy]

I would've thought getting mums to work was the goal...no, not if it means anything remotely progressive in parliament, pfffft!

[Cherie]

Joey, if I ever need help in a legal sense I will be calling on you, your tenacity and ability to put your point across time after time in a polite way, wearing the opposition down in the process is unparalleled

[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yes, my own mother had a career. I don't believe in babies at work at all. That's it, the crux of my opinion. I have nothing more to add.

Nothing wrong with that view.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Joey, if I ever need help in a legal sense I will be calling on you, your tenacity and ability to put your point across time after time in a polite way, wearing the opposition down in the process is unparalleled

Thank you Cherie.

I always try to do my best for things I believe in and for people I may have to represent at any time or people I have great loyalty to as well.
I won't always succeed but it will never be for the want of trying.
Politeness costs nothing and although people may heavily disagree,nothing either says should be termed as nonsense.
It may well be partly wrong and at times misguided but not nonsense.
That is actually a word I hate.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Thank you Cherie.

I always try to do my best for things I believe in and for people I may have to represent at any time or people I have great loyalty to as well.
I won't always succeed but it will never be for the want of trying.
Politeness costs nothing and although people may heavily disagree,nothing either says should be termed as nonsense.
It may well be partly wrong and at times misguided but not nonsense.
That is actually a word I hate.

Joey - This 1,000 % sincerely meant; I do not agree with some of your politics, but I would love nothing more, than if you DID stand and become elected to parliament, because the whole institutionally corrupt and inefficient commons NEEDS someone with integrity, genuine comittment, compassion, determination borne of passion, and the ability to self-analyse and change course when he deems himself wrong --- ALL the qualities you possess.

I have NO political affinity -despite what some may think - I just vote for whichever candidate/party ticks the most serious boxes for me at the time (and at this time it is Nigel and UKIP) but I mean every word above Joey and you SHOULD now SERIOUSLY determine a political career and actually start putting in place those first steps to securing one.

You will be TRAGICALLY missing your true calling if you do not. Believe me.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Thank you Cherie.

I always try to do my best for things I believe in and for people I may have to represent at any time or people I have great loyalty to as well.
I won't always succeed but it will never be for the want of trying.
Politeness costs nothing and although people may heavily disagree,nothing either says should be termed as nonsense.
It may well be partly wrong and at times misguided but not nonsense.
That is actually a word I hate.

nonsense is equal to I strongly disagree, I wouldn't take it personally Joey. I like to keep abreast of current thinking

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Joey - This 1,000 % sincerely meant; I do not agree with some of your politics, but I would love nothing more, than if you DID stand and become elected to parliament, because the whole institutionally corrupt and inefficient commons NEEDS someone with integrity, genuine comittment, compassion, determination borne of passion, and the ability to self-analyse and change course when he deems himself wrong --- ALL the qualities you possess.

I have NO political affinity -despite what some may think - I just vote for whichever candidate/party ticks the most serious boxes for me at the time (and at this time it is Nigel and UKIP) but I mean every word above Joey and you SHOULD now SERIOUSLY determine a political career and actually start putting in place those first steps to securing one.

You will be TRAGICALLY missing your true calling if you do not. Believe me.

Thank you very much Kirk and I am actively pursuing a career in Politics,I fully intend to with the help of those in the party I support to be a candidate in the 2020 election somewhere.
Right now my friend however I will be putting my energy into hopefully persuading some if I can to support staying i the EU in the coming referendum.

That puts you and I at odds rather in the run up to that so I guess a good few strong but hopefully healthy debates between you and I on that one as it gets closer.

At least we both cannot see the fuss as to this issue in this thread.
All my very best to you Kirk.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

nonsense is equal to I strongly disagree, I wouldn't take it personally Joey. I like to keep abreast of current thinking

Not really, someone could say lets go to Madame Tussauds, thats the best place to go.
Someone else could say no I,(strongly),disagree with that I'd rather we went to Westminster Abbey.
Neither is left as or could/should be termed a nonsense suggestion.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

nonsense is equal to I strongly disagree, I wouldn't take it personally Joey. I like to keep abreast of current thinking

No it really isn't, it suggests points make no sense, in an attempt to render them meaningless.

I see what you did there

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Not really, someone could say lets go to Madame Tussauds, thats the best place to go.
Someone else could say no I,(strongly),disagree with that I'd rather we went to Westminster Abbey.
Neither is left as or could/should be termed a nonsense suggestion.

Oh come on Joey, you know I wasn't trying to insult you with the word 'nonsense'. I thought you knew me better than that. I have not changed...

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm actually surprised at your opinion on this Alex, i thought you were more liberal than that. You think it's better to let a baby cry for half an hour than feed it incase it might embarrass someone?

I just think bodily fluids should not be done in public.

milk, spit, sweat, blood, urine, poo, semen, tears... keep it to yourself and do it behind closed doors please. to me it's a hygiene issue.

No bodily fluids in public please. it's all gross. be considerate of others. if you insist on taking your infant child out, feed them BEFORE you leave the house.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I just think bodily fluids should not be done in public.

milk, spit, sweat, blood, urine, poo, semen, tears... keep it to yourself and do it behind closed doors please. to me it's a hygiene issue.

No bodily fluids in public please. it's all gross. be considerate of others. if you insist on taking your infant child out, feed them BEFORE you leave the house.

Alex!

[Cherie]

Yes infants are best left home alone