[Crimson Dynamo]

stupid job to take in the first place

[Cherie]

Back to MNF

[GiRTh]

LMFAO.

The job was way too big for a first time manager. He found out in management you cant rewind the tape and do it again. He cant come back to MNF his credibility has been shot to sh*t.

[Mystic Mock]

The problem with him was that he was unwilling to learn the lingo.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

LMFAO.

The job was way too big for a first time manager. He found out in management you cant rewind the tape and do it again. He cant come back to MNF his credibility has been shot to sh*t.

How has his credibility been shot?

Just because this job didn't work out for him, doesn't mean he suddenly doesn't no what he's talking about.

I don't believe that a man losing his job really makes you laugh your arse off, does it?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Alf

How has his credibility been shot?

Just because this job didn't work out for him, doesn't mean he suddenly doesn't no what he's talking about.

I don't believe that a man losing his job really makes you laugh your arse off, does it?

It makes me laugh cuz Valencia is far too big a job for a first time manager and I hope Ryan Giggs sees this and all those who want him as next Man Utd manager think again. Its laughable that Neville thought he was ready for that job too. No one doubts his knowledge but to take Valencia as his first management job still makes me laugh.

[GiRTh]

Didnt Neville say at the start of the season that Chelsea players needed a 'slap around the face'? Did that work at Valencia Gary? I think his credibility is shot TBH. If he comes back to punditry he cant be as forthright as he used to be.

Youtube video

[Shaun]

Seems stupid to judge him based on, what, 4 months? If that? Managerial positions are subject to ridiculous amounts of scrutiny.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Seems stupid to judge him based on, what, 4 months? If that? Managerial positions are subject to ridiculous amounts of scrutiny.

Valencia manager is subject to tremendous scrutiny and hence why he wasn't ready for the job.

[Mystic Mock]

If he had've learned the lingo it would've given him more of a chance to get Valencia on form.

If you can't communicate with your players then the results will be bad.

[alex_front2]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

The problem with him was that he was unwilling to learn the lingo.

Exactly. It's so disrespectful when Brit players and managers don't bother learning the local euro lingo. Moyes, McLaren, Bale , Joey Barton all lazy and arrogant as feck on sovereignty of English language. Mourinho, Wenger et al speak our language better than most Brits. It's also a lack of commitment, lack of intellgience to fail to grasp language abroad in less than a year. Who wants to play under a thick culturally lazy manager? If Gary or Phil Neville had spent a season at end of their careers in Spain (or major league in Europe) at a club like Deportivo, Real Betis, Real Socidad, or Rayo Vallecano it might have given them credibility. Just being legends at Man U isn't enough.

Mancini spent 6 bizarre games at Leicester at end of his career and everyone at time was like WTF? It's now obvious he was scoping out English football and the Premier leagues and voilŕ he landed a big job at Man City years later. Laurent Blanc had a strange but successful spell at Man U, guess what he will definitely end up managing a Premier league side when PSG stops being interesting.

Zlatan Ibrahimovic has never played over here in UK, but is fluent in English. Cech learns every language of his teammates so he can communicate better. An English player and/or manager just thinks in terms of premier league so doesn't bother leaning another language. Too many English players and managers think the job is just about motivating players and tactics but it's not, it's about good communication , explaining why the team will play 4-5-1, why you are playing pressing football, why a player will be dropped for the game against Stoke City, why Diego X will take now penalities etc.

I remember when Eric Cantona joined Leeds United in 1992 after he abandoned Sheffield Wednesday move, some snearing journalists tried to catch manager Howard Wilkinson out on his lack of French but Wilkinson was able to respond in French and the journalist was forced to say 'that wasn't supposed to happen!'

Also, Brit managers lack innovative thought. All the great thinkers in football are foreign. Hence why our managers suck. There's too much old boys network in English football. Jobs for boys. Why do top ex English players think they can go straight into a management job? Tony Adams (Arsenal) failed manager. Paul Ince (Man U) failed manager. Tim Sherwood , Teddy Sherringham etc. Slavan Billic may be an ex -West Ham player but he also has a law degree, so he's able to convey difficult ideas , Mourinho a polyglot who can communicate to different nationalities, Wenger economics degreee so has a handle on vagareis of transfer market, Ranieri experience of several European clubs so can adjust tactics and formations to fit, the Brit managers only know how things are in England/ Britain.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by alex_front2

Exactly. It's so disrespectful when Brit players and managers don't bother learning the local euro lingo. Moyes, McLaren, Bale , Joey Barton all lazy and arrogant as feck on sovereignty of English language. Mourinho, Wenger et al speak our language better than most Brits. It's also a lack of commitment, lack of intellgience to fail to grasp language abroad in less than a year. Who wants to play under a thick culturally lazy manager? If Gary or Phil Neville had spent a season at end of their careers in Spain (or major league in Europe) at a club like Deportivo, Real Betis, Real Socidad, or Rayo Vallecano it might have given them credibility. Just being legends at Man U isn't enough.

Mancini spent 6 bizarre games at Leicester at end of his career and everyone at time was like WTF? It's now obvious he was scoping out English football and the Premier leagues and voilŕ he landed a big job at Man City years later. Laurent Blanc had a strange but successful spell at Man U, guess what he will definitely end up managing a Premier league side when PSG stops being interesting.

Zlatan Ibrahimovic has never played over here in UK, but is fluent in English. Cech learns every language of his teammates so he can communicate better. An English player and/or manager just thinks in terms of premier league so doesn't bother leaning another language. Too many English players and managers think the job is just about motivating players and tactics but it's not, it's about good communication , explaining why the team will play 4-5-1, why you are playing pressing football, why Diego X will take penalities etc.

Also, Brit managers lack innovative thought. All the great thinkers in football are foreign. Hence why our managers suck. There's too much old boys network in English football. Jobs for boys. Why do top ex English players think they can go straight into a management job? Tony Adams (Arsenal) failed manager. Paul Ince (Man U) failed manager. Tim Sherwood , Teddy Sherringham etc. Slavan Billic may be an ex -West Ham player but he also has a law degree, so he's able to convey difficult ideas , Mourinho a polyglot who can communicate to different nationalities, Wenger economics degreee so has a handle on vagareis of transfer market, Ranieri experience of several European clubs so can adjust tactics and formations to fit, the Brit managers only know how things are in England/ Britain.

I actually agree with everything that you're saying actually.

I also am with Girth on why did Gary Neville go for such a big Spanish club for his first managerial job? I know Valencia aren't at the standard of the top 3, but they're normally top 6.

[alex_front2]

Top 10 Intelligent footballers is interesting fun list

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Eg Lukaku learnt Portuguese to help Brazilian team mates adjust to life in Europe. Can you imagine Vardy or Charlie Austin doing that? If Vardy had to play in Spain he would only hang out with ex pats and not eat 'any of that foreign muck'

Paul Ince son Tom turned down moves to Inter Milan (like dad) and Monaco to play for Hull. And the adoring xenophobic football English pundits applauded him as if playing for Hull is somehow 'keeping it real'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...ated-Hull.html

I remember 1980s Anfield icon Ian Rush left Liverpool for his ill faited stint at Juventus: from Wikipedia

However it was viewed, it was a new challenge for Rush, who would have the task of unlocking the much tighter defences in Serie A. His time at Juventus was less than successful, as he scored only eight times in 29 games; though this partly explained by the Italian tradition at this time of tighter defences meaning that strikers tended to score fewer goals in Italy than they did in England.

He had a hard time settling in Turin, once allegedly remarking, "It's like living in a foreign country." However, in his autobiography Rush says that this was a joke made up by Kenny Dalglish, then in an interview published in The Irish Times in 2008, claimed that the quote was fictional.

After just one season at the Stadio Comunale, he returned to Anfield, rejoining Liverpool for Ł2.7m on 18 August 1988 – a record signing for an English club at the time, which remained unbroken for three years. It was the third time that summer that the national transfer record had been broken. The news of Rush's imminent return was given to Liverpool fans before they journeyed south to London for yet another Charity Shield match.

I suspect Ian Rush did say that but realised later that it was imbecilic.

[alex_front2]

Barcelona 1 (Messi scorers 500 the goal)
Valencia 2

So as soon as Neville buggers of they beat Barce at Nou Camp. Stick to cozy studio flirting with Carragher Sky Sports punditry, Gary

[GiRTh]

4 - 0 to Valencia v Eibar. Dont remember too many results like that when Neville was manager Looks like Neville was holding them back.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

4 - 0 to Valencia v Eibar. Dont remember too many results like that when Neville was manager Looks like Neville was holding them back.

Or the players forced Neville to be sacked and could really do this all along but refused to do it for whatever reason.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Or the players forced Neville to be sacked and could really do this all along but refused to do it for whatever reason.

Player power got him the sack I reckon, if he didn't even try to learn the language you can understand why.

[alex_front2]

The Barce result was the most telling. You have to have ability to beat Barcelona, it's not a fluke.