[arista]

This is survey by Trevor Phillips


Some Muslims will not mix
this is the problem
being debated now on LBC radio
http://www.lbc.co.uk/


There is a UK problem with some Muslims
thats what the survey has found

[Kizzy]

Ah LBC...
My cornflakes went soggy this morning

#shouldcorbynresignoverthis

[Jamie89]

How many people were surveyed? What was the survey question? Was it only Muslims that were surveyed?

[arista]

Trevor Phillips

[user104658]

I work an an environment in which 90% of my interactions involve talking to white, native British, working class males over the age of 40. I can confidently tell you that most of them - whilst not being homophobic per se - find the idea of homosexuality "funny" or "icky" or "weird" or a combination of the three.

That's not to say that it isn't a bigger issue in Islamic communities, but let's not pretend that White British people are at the point of being A-OK with homosexuality .

I also know a couple of hardcore Christians who are perfectly accepting of gay people and would not shun them or discriminate against them for being gay - BUT - (and this is a big "but") - if you really push them on the issue, the attitude is more along the lines of "They are sinners, what they are doing is a sin and therefore wrong, if they want to be on the path to God they shouldn't be doing it, however being a sinner is their business."

So the answer is really "It's not OK, it is morally wrong, but that is between them and God so I won't openly judge" with the bulk of heavily religious people, rather than them truly thinking it's not an issue at all. It just so happens that Islamic communities tend towards the more "heavily religious" than vaguely quasi-Christian communities where only something like 10% of people who call themselves Christian actually attend church etc.


Also, taking religion out of it again entirely, a lot of the "unclean" perception comes from the association between homosexuality and HIV, an (incorrect) idea that it's "likely" that gay men will end up carriers that was pushed quite firmly by the media in the 80's and early 90's. That sort of thing is hard to shake.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i thought that would have been higher

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i thought that would have been higher

Its a Docu on Ch4HD this week


10PM Weds 60mins

"What British Muslims Think"

[Tom4784]

I'm guessing the results are biased if that website is any indication. I'd need more information on the survey to believe it.

LBC has a blatant agenda, they aren't to be trusted.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'm guessing the results are biased if that website is any indication. I'd need more information on the survey to believe it.

LBC has a blatant agenda, they aren't to be trusted.

being kept for Weds 10PM
Ch4HD

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'm guessing the results are biased if that website is any indication. I'd need more information on the survey to believe it.

LBC has a blatant agenda, they aren't to be trusted.

evidence?

[arista]

LBC took it from the papers.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

LBC took it from the papers.

Hey guess what I googled it... and the only reference is this thread.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

evidence?

Just look at the site, as long as you have eyes you can see which side of the political fence it favours with how it presents it's stories and how it chooses said stories in the first place.

I'd need more details on the survey in order to accept it. How many people did they ask? Did they ask a wide variety of Muslims or just the ones that would give them the data they needed for their anti-Muslim story?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Just look at the site, as long as you have eyes you can see which side of the political fence it favours with how it presents it's stories and how it chooses said stories in the first place.

Its just like all talk radio stations, a mild troll to get reaction=listeners=ads=revenue

[DemolitionRed]

Russians, gypsies and many Islamic people think Brits are dirty and the Brits think the Chinese have dirty habits but what's new.

The reason many Muslims think we are dirty is because we use toilet paper as a cleansing mechanism for the dirtiest part of our bodies and are often seen not to wash our hands.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its just like all talk radio stations, a mild troll to get reaction=listeners=ads=revenue

Speaking of trolls Katie Hopkins joined LBC.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Speaking of trolls Katie Hopkins joined LBC.

ideal

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Speaking of trolls Katie Hopkins joined LBC.

Only AM on Sundays

[DemolitionRed]

Is lbc radio a mouthpiece for the tory's? http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1515277

LBC Right-wing-bias http://boards.dailymail.co.uk/news-b...d/10246207.htm

LBC has a clear bias to the right http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-ra...ling-auschwitz

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Is lbc radio a mouthpiece for the tory's? http://<b>forums.digitalspy.co.uk</b....php?t=1515277

LBC Right-wing-bias http://boards.<b>dailymail.co.uk</b>...d/10246207.htm

LBC has a clear bias to the right http://www.<b>theguardian.com</b>/tv...ling-auschwitz

hardly a compelling rap sheet

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Just look at the site, as long as you have eyes you can see which side of the political fence it favours with how it presents it's stories and how it chooses said stories in the first place.

I'd need more details on the survey in order to accept it. How many people did they ask? Did they ask a wide variety of Muslims or just the ones that would give them the data they needed for their anti-Muslim story?

Precisely. And either way 52% isn't exactly an enormous figure.

[GiRTh]

Ayone who employs Katie Hopkins immediately loses a bit of credibility. I'd like them to poll UK or US Christians with this question and I reckon the figures would be higher.

[*mazedsalv**]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I work an an environment in which 90% of my interactions involve talking to white, native British, working class males over the age of 40. I can confidently tell you that most of them - whilst not being homophobic per se - find the idea of homosexuality "funny" or "icky" or "weird" or a combination of the three.

That's not to say that it isn't a bigger issue in Islamic communities, but let's not pretend that White British people are at the point of being A-OK with homosexuality .

I also know a couple of hardcore Christians who are perfectly accepting of gay people and would not shun them or discriminate against them for being gay - BUT - (and this is a big "but") - if you really push them on the issue, the attitude is more along the lines of "They are sinners, what they are doing is a sin and therefore wrong, if they want to be on the path to God they shouldn't be doing it, however being a sinner is their business."

So the answer is really "It's not OK, it is morally wrong, but that is between them and God so I won't openly judge" with the bulk of heavily religious people, rather than them truly thinking it's not an issue at all. It just so happens that Islamic communities tend towards the more "heavily religious" than vaguely quasi-Christian communities where only something like 10% of people who call themselves Christian actually attend church etc.


Also, taking religion out of it again entirely, a lot of the "unclean" perception comes from the association between homosexuality and HIV, an (incorrect) idea that it's "likely" that gay men will end up carriers that was pushed quite firmly by the media in the 80's and early 90's. That sort of thing is hard to shake.

True, but you said you survey over 40s.

People have a very negative representation of teens and people in their 20s, but they are very open minded. I'd say that people aged 16-30 would (by quite a large majority) don't think it's a big deal.

When you hear of those things that go viral on the internet regarding racism, homophobia, discrimination, the people usually seem to be middle ages-older ages.

People in their teens and their 20s are so not bothered about all that. I'd say that younger people nowadays are by far the nicer and most open minded people out there.

I've worked in various jobs, in retail, at weddings, in admin etc... the people that are the most controversial/rude/annoying are always older people. In my history of either working or in social life (going out), I have never ever had a problem with someone under the age of 40.

ps. I'm 23.

What I'm basically saying is that I reckon in around 50 years time, racism, homophobia, sexism and other forms of discrimination will be tiny. By then, no one living would remember a time where women were inferior to men eg. couldn't vote etc....

It's quite interesting, people have a negative view of the world because of all the **** going on, but I really think that in general, people would be more understanding in certain things. However, there will always be sick people in the world, I'm just talking about people's views.

[MTVN]

The poll was carried out by ICM and actually found that 52% of British Muslims think homosexuality should be illegal, not just that its unclean

Around half of British Muslims believe homosexuality should be illegal.

That is the result of a study that polled 1,801 adult Muslims on issues including relationships, polygamy and law.

It found that 52 per cent of those quizzed disagreed that homosexuality should be legal in Britain.

The poll also discovered that 31 per cent believe it is acceptable for Muslim men to have more than one wife, and 23 per cent would support parts of Britain being governed by Sharia law rather than British law.

And while the poll of men and women found that 39 per cent believe wives should always obey their husbands, as many as 79 per cent condemned stoning those who have cheated on their partner.

The full findings from the ICM poll will feature in Channel 4 documentary What British Muslims Really Think, which airs on Wednesday.

Presented by former head of the Equality and Human Rights Commission Trevor Philips, the programme will investigate the differences between British Muslims and the rest of the country.

Philips said ‘the integration of Muslims will probably be the hardest task’ the country has ever faced.

Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2016/04/10/half-o...#ixzz45R3IquyO

This is concerning stuff and something that needs facing up to not just dismissed as bias

[arista]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Is lbc radio a mouthpiece for the tory's? http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1515277

LBC Right-wing-bias http://boards.dailymail.co.uk/news-b...d/10246207.htm

LBC has a clear bias to the right http://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-ra...ling-auschwitz

Yes 2012 one link..


LBC's Ian Dale is great
even his site has a link for the Labour Party.


Of Course this thread is now about the one hour docu
on Ch4HD weds 10PM
by Trevor Phillips.