[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That's one of the most suspicious things about the case IMO - her murder "by a fan" was HUGE news at the time... It was absolutely everywhere from what I remember. But the subsequent acquittal and dropping of all charges against the accused, while it was reported, was covered so quietly that most people if asked what they know about Jill Dando would still say that she was "killed by an obsessive fan".

The reopened investigation concluded confidently that she had been executed by an experienced professional killer, based on the kill method and efficiency, and a few other things but the trail by that point would have been totally cold - if a professional would even have left one to begin with... So her murder is basically unsolved.

Its pretty clear though that someone with connections and influence wanted her gone for something she knew, and based on what she was working on its very likely that was someone involved with the BBC. I think it's likely that she knew about a lot of the Saville et al. stuff, years before it all started coming out anyway, but who knows what else she knew. No one ever will, I guess . Someone made sure of that.

Seems very very fishy indeed

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Some people might wonder 'Why have you been investigating Cliff Richard for years'?

To leave no stone unturned I guess, it would be rather bad if a taskforce created to uncover abuse that was allowed to happen due to a lack of care by the BBC and the authorities in the 70's didn't take much care in their own investigations.

We also know little of their methods so it's tricky to gauge guilt by simply looking at how long an investigation lasts.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

To leave no stone unturned I guess, it would be rather bad if a taskforce created to uncover abuse that was allowed to happen due to a lack of care by the BBC and the authorities in the 70's didn't take much care in their own investigations.

We also know little of their methods so it's tricky to gauge guilt by simply looking at how long an investigation lasts.

What has Cliff Richard to do with the BBC? I don't believe that lack of adequate investigation in this area is confined to the 70's either.

The more people who come forward over time I would have thought makes it easier to gauge guilt not less, as every case has to be assessed on it's own merit. It can't be assured that Cliffs file will remain closed, should someone else come forward it will be reopened.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's funny that some some people seem to think they know more about this case then a taskforce who has been investigating Cliff Richard and cases like this for years.

If Yewtree didn't believe there was a case to be made then there probably wasn't. Unlike us they have access to all the facts and evidence.

OMG Livia has hacked Dezzy's account

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What has Cliff Richard to do with the BBC? I don't believe that lack of adequate investigation in this area is confined to the 70's either.

The more people who come forward over time I would have thought makes it easier to gauge guilt not less, as every case has to be assessed on it's own merit. It can't be assured that Cliffs file will remain closed, should someone else come forward it will be reopened.

cant wait for him to sue the 9 liars

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

cant wait for him to sue the 9 liars

I'd like to see him do so too.
The file is closed, they are not even looking for any evidence now, the evidence they claimed to have, did not stand up.

He has nothing at all to answer to and no prospect of ever having to do so either.

I am pleased he got an apology from the Police too for how they handled the search issue at his home.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I'd like to see him do so too.
The file is closed, they are not even looking for any evidence now, the evidence they claimed to have, did not stand up.

He has nothing at all to answer to and no prospect of ever having to do so either.

I am pleased he got an apology from the Police too for how they handled the search issue at his home.

old rich men like him are easy targets for these chancers...legitimate victims should get justice and be taken care of, nut these liars, often trying to blackmail and extort money from vulverable old rich men should also get justice , years in prison. false accusation and slander is still a serious crime in this country and should be treated as such. lets all put ourselves in the shoes of cliff richards and other falsely accused...70 odd years old a bit frail not in the best of health worked hard his whole life to life a fantastic life , basically ehs a national treasure....then right at the end a bunch of totally anonymous liars destroy his reputation his life his health everything...it probably destrots his friendships too.....its all lies and what does he get at the end if he is lucky enough to live through such a nightmare. oh sorry cliff from a couple of cops. this is AN FARKING DISGRACE AND IM FURIOUS ON HIS BEHALF AND ALL THHOSE OTHERS FALSELY ACCUSED

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by the truth

old rich men like him are easy targets for these chancers...legitimate victims should get justice and be taken care of, nut these liars, often trying to blackmail and extort money from vulverable old rich men should also get justice , years in prison. false accusation and slander is still a serious crime in this country and should be treated as such. lets all put ourselves in the shoes of cliff richards and other falsely accused...70 odd years old a bit frail not in the best of health worked hard his whole life to life a fantastic life , basically ehs a national treasure....then right at the end a bunch of totally anonymous liars destroy his reputation his life his health everything...it probably destrots his friendships too.....its all lies and what does he get at the end if he is lucky enough to live through such a nightmare. oh sorry cliff from a couple of cops. this is AN FARKING DISGRACE AND IM FURIOUS ON HIS BEHALF AND ALL THHOSE OTHERS FALSELY ACCUSED

No argument from me with you there.
I find it infuriating that people can accuse someone of something falsely and still be able to hide behind not being able to be named.

I understand,Cliff for instance has gone to the USA for tennis tournaments for decades, once this came out, he was told he could not go last year.
Shocking.

[the truth]

jim davidson had 13 liars they all dropped their lies....just because he was once in the same building as jimmy saville

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What has Cliff Richard to do with the BBC? I don't believe that lack of adequate investigation in this area is confined to the 70's either.

The more people who come forward over time I would have thought makes it easier to gauge guilt not less, as every case has to be assessed on it's own merit. It can't be assured that Cliffs file will remain closed, should someone else come forward it will be reopened.

I was referring to Yewtree............

All I said that It's tricky to gauge guilt simply by how long the case lasted because we don't know the facts of the investigation. I don't know why you're taking exception to that and stating the obvious.

[Kizzy]

Yewtree wasn't confined to the BBC or the 70's either, I'm not taking exception to anything I agree we don't know all the facts, a closed file is not a guarantee of innocence.
That said I feel for the guy being victim of trial by media thus far.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's funny that some some people seem to think they know more about this case then a taskforce who has been investigating Cliff Richard and cases like this for years.

If Yewtree didn't believe there was a case to be made then there probably wasn't. Unlike us they have access to all the facts and evidence.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Oh the Jill Dando thing is an insane mess. She was known to be preparing to expose a vast amount of historic child abuse within the BBC / amoungst entertainers, that is a fact, and then she was "murdered by an obsessive fan". What seems to have gone mostly under the radar, for some bizarre reason, is that that said fan was aquitted, had his conviction overturned in 2008, and also received damages payouts from several of the tabloids. Jill Dando's murder is currently unsolved, and not being investigated. She was shot in the head with the gun pressed into her skull. She was executed because she knew too much about a person or various people, basically, people with enough influence to have her killed and get away with it.

There is a strong theory that it was Serbians because of her Kosovo appeal.There were death threat letters saying 'From Serbia'.Some other presenters got them also.
Some people think it could've been because of Crimewatch.Maybe a criminal she had locked up ordered the hit.We might never know.

[the truth]

many said dando was re jimmy saville case allegedly

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by the truth

cant wait for him to sue the 9 liars

Yeah, let's go down the route of having it be possible to charge or sue anyone who makes an assault claim against someone when it isn't upheld.

... I hope the reasons for this not being a good thing are pretty obvious.

Seriously, no matter what anyone personally chooses to believe, let's remember that this file has been closed specifically because it has not / can not be proven, and NOT because it has been proven to be false.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yeah, let's go down the route of having it be possible to charge or sue anyone who makes an assault claim against someone when it isn't upheld.

... I hope the reasons for this not being a good thing are pretty obvious.

Seriously, no matter what anyone personally chooses to believe, let's remember that this file has been closed specifically because it has not / can not be proven, and NOT because it has been proven to be false.

theres endless liars false accusers and blackmailers unnamed and never being locked up, they need to go to prison for a very long time

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by the truth

theres endless liars false accusers and blackmailers unnamed and never being locked up, they need to go to prison for a very long time

If it can be proven that they were lying, sure, but being unable to find enough evidence to convict someone of what an accuser is claiming is not the same as proving that the accuser's claims are false.