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Old 11-07-2016, 01:50 PM #26
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Theresa May needs to pull the lever on Article 50 ASAP - no more delays. The British people gave the government a very clear mandate - to leave the EU - that must take priority over an election.

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Another Brexiter jumping ship, how sad!
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May will become PM on Wednesday.
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Pretty indifferent about this since her evolved and more dangerous form now has an easy pass
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If Theresa May goes down the road of no election and then also excludes Parliamentary MPs a vote on the triggering of article 50, so much then for sovereignty and democracy as strongly argued for in the referendum.

Nothing in the referendum was asked of the voters as to when article 50 should be triggered, what deals should we aim for, or even if the UK should leave the EU now, or in the near future or far off future.
The only answer given was to remove our EU membership, nothing more than that.

That can mean and lead to many things,however since this was an all party campaign on both sides,then an election is vital before any 'concrete proceedings begin at all.
With the then new elected parliament of all MPs, as it was in the campaign, in place having a mandate from their visions of the UK out of the EU known and voted on by the electorate.

I am puzzled as to why the leave side wanted a referendum to ask the simple question but who are now not as eager, for the voters, to vote in a general election to express the views of what happened in the campaign, and to now give a further mandate for what deals and when all should be started.

UKIP featured heavily in the campaign, should they still only have one vote from one MP in parliament on this,or should the voters be given the chance to send more UKIP voices to parliament.
The Lib Dems want to remain in, they would campaign on that, put that to the test and see where they get to with that one.

The SNP want to leave the UK if we leave the EU, put that independence question to bed with a general election, if the SNP tally of seats fall, then that should close off that argument too.

However from the govt and the main opposition, the voters now should be given the chance to hear both visions of the UK out of the EU, before anything is started or article 50 is triggered.

No matter what govt is elected, majority Conservative, Labour or a coalition of 2 or even more parties, so be it.
The public have been asked if we should stop having membership of the EU, they should now be asked again, what Party's plan do they want and when to start the leaving proceedings too.
Nothing of which was included in or asked in the referendum.
So that can only be done in a general election.

Have we really, as was argued in the campaign, set out to take back democracy and sovereignty or is that only to be the case if it suits what side you were on and what govt is in power.
Again leaving parliament and people not consulted.

It would be, in my view, and should be an outrage if anything is done before going to the Country again..
Especially now with only a coronation of the new PM and not even a contest within even her own party, leaving said PM unelected and with no real authority to do anything morally or otherwise.

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I'd imagine she would be cautious about the EU considering she was (thinly) Remain and every prominent Leave politician has spontaneously combusted in the last month. Literally every one. It's staggering really.
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How?. Your metaphor is incorrect
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Campaign to leave the EU to stop unelected officials controlling our democracy, quit leadership election to enable the succession of a PM who's been elected by no one

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I'd imagine she would be cautious about the EU considering she was (thinly) Remain and every prominent Leave politician has spontaneously combusted in the last month. Literally every one. It's staggering really.
Shaun you iu and a few on here are getting confused - going for the Tory leadership is nothing to do with the brexit other than the resignation of the most prominent Remainer All the candidates all are still MPs and in the government. Only Farage has resigned and he is not an MP

The only member of the Government to resign is the highest profile Remainer
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Leadsom would have been a breath of fresh air for politics, with May it will be 4 more years of the same old BS.
Leadsom should've been careful with her comments towards Theresa May imo.

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Theresa May needs to pull the lever on Article 50 ASAP - no more delays. The British people gave the government a very clear mandate - to leave the EU - that must take priority over an election.
48% wanted to stay, that's not exactly as clear as you're saying it is.

Don't forget it's a big change for the country they need plans put in place to secure our finances before activating article 50.

And also if Scotland get another Referendum on leaving the UK that they're allowed to only have 52% of the vote and massively change the country on 48% that wanted to stay.
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Leadsom should have ballsed it out and stuck to what she said the spineless cow
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We’re going to have a Remain supporter Theresa May as Britain’s next Prime Minister.

The Tory establishment with its media friends in tow have managed to hound Brexiteer Andrea Leadsom out of the race, and we’re now looking at a Brexit fudge.

You only had to listen to the Home Secretary and next Prime Minister’s mealy mouthed statement on EU free movement this morning to realise what’s coming. She didn’t say she’d end it, she said she’d control it.

All this talk of “leave means leave” means almost nothing.

That’s why UKIP is needed now more than ever.
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We’re going to have a Remain supporter Theresa May as Britain’s next Prime Minister.

The Tory establishment with its media friends in tow have managed to hound Brexiteer Andrea Leadsom out of the race, and we’re now looking at a Brexit fudge.

You only had to listen to the Home Secretary and next Prime Minister’s mealy mouthed statement on EU free movement this morning to realise what’s coming. She didn’t say she’d end it, she said she’d control it.

All this talk of “leave means leave” means almost nothing.

That’s why UKIP is needed now more than ever.

And people said UKIP were dead I expect Farage to reappear at some point
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Shaun you iu and a few on here are getting confused - going for the Tory leadership is nothing to do with the brexit other than the resignation of the most prominent Remainer All the candidates all are still MPs and in the government. Only Farage has resigned and he is not an MP

The only member of the Government to resign is the highest profile Remainer
Boris bottled it didn't he?
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Hopefully once she get some era feet under the table she will set the Brexit in motion.
She may not have won an actual election but she will be Prime Minister and as such should honour the referendum results.
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Shaun you iu and a few on here are getting confused - going for the Tory leadership is nothing to do with the brexit other than the resignation of the most prominent Remainer All the candidates all are still MPs and in the government. Only Farage has resigned and he is not an MP

The only member of the Government to resign is the highest profile Remainer
It seems to have been the biggest hurdle block for every possible candidate, however? I admit a lot of it has been media nonsense and smear campaigns but as others have pointed out, the grey area between "we need to take our decisions back" and "I don't want to make the decisions actually... I'll stand down..." seems to be getting wider.
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It seems to have been the biggest hurdle block for every possible candidate, however? I admit a lot of it has been media nonsense and smear campaigns but as others have pointed out, the grey area between "we need to take our decisions back" and "I don't want to make the decisions actually... I'll stand down..." seems to be getting wider.

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Hopefully once she get some era feet under the table she will set the Brexit in motion.
She may not have won an actual election but she will be Prime Minister and as such should honour the referendum results.



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