[arista]

Transgender Get all the Money

Debated Live on LBC now
Katie Hopkins

People going blind can not get treatment
until fully blind?

Spoiler:

This is All Wrong
Transgender Operations get all the funding.


This Stinks

[Kizzy]

Rubbish... total rubbish.

[smudgie]

Hmmmm, i have cataracts in both eyes, my optician has advised me to leave it as long as I possibly can before having them done as they can come back.
You can't just keep having it done over and over so you could end up blind.
Perhaps this could be the reasoning behind delaying the ops.

Edit, it's not the cataract that comes back, but the same symptoms from clouding of a little sac behind the eye.
Interestingly I have just found out this can be fixed with a five minute procedure.
Might have a rethink about getting mine fixed now.

[arista]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Hmmmm, i have cataracts in both eyes, my optician has advised me to leave it as long as I possibly can before having them done as they can come back.
You can't just keep having it done over and over so you could end up blind.
Perhaps this could be the reasoning behind delaying the ops.

No these are older folks that are half blind
and need the cataracts fixed

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by arista

No these are older folks that are half blind
and need the cataracts fixed

If they need it doing then it should be done.
Absolutely disgusting if they can't, my dad had his done and it made an amazing difference.
Unfortunately the little sac behind his eye clouded over after 18 months so he was back to square one.but they can sort that out now in 5 minutes.

[arista]

Originally Posted by smudgie

If they need it doing then it should be done.
Absolutely disgusting if they can't, my dad had his done and it made an amazing difference.
Unfortunately the little sac behind his eye clouded over after 18 months so he was back to square one.but they can sort that out now in 5 minutes.

Yes that was her debate
at the start of her show
loads phoned in Angry at Transgenders
using up all the funding

[Scarlett.]

I'd think the UK's binge drinking culture takes up more money and time in the NHS than transgender operations.

[joeysteele]

Cataract operations have been being put back for the last few years not just recently.
It is disgraceful that elderly people especially who are struggling to see, have to suffer this discomfort for the sake of a short procedure being done.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Chewy

I'd think the UK's binge drinking culture takes up more money and time in the NHS than transgender operations.

Sure
but Transgenders use Consultants
before and after
costing the price of a Car?

[Ellen]

Disgusting! But its the elderly and apparently they are not worth it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Cataract operations have been being put back for the last few years not just recently.
It is disgraceful that elderly people especially who are struggling to see, have to suffer this discomfort for the sake of a short procedure being done.

I actually agree with this, however my feeling is it has more to do with age and usefulness than funding.

That might sound extreme but I believe it to be true, this country has a shocking record for caring for the elderly now.

[Tom4784]

It's naive to believe they simply chose to not fund one procedure in favour of another. Cataracts are way more common than Gender Dysphoria so if it came to it, it'd likely be gender reassignment ops that got cut back.

There's another reason for the cut but the media will focus on the Cataracts vs Transgender thing since it riles up the bigots and gives them something to demonise.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's naive to believe they simply chose to not fund one procedure in favour of another. Cataracts are way more common than Gender Dysphoria so if it came to it, it'd likely be gender reassignment ops that got cut back.

There's another reason for the cut but the media will focus on the Cataracts vs Transgender thing since it riles up the bigots and gives them something to demonise.

No Dezzy
you have this wrong
it was a balanced debate on Public Radio
Worldwide

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's naive to believe they simply chose to not fund one procedure in favour of another. Cataracts are way more common than Gender Dysphoria so if it came to it, it'd likely be gender reassignment ops that got cut back.

There's another reason for the cut but the media will focus on the Cataracts vs Transgender thing since it riles up the bigots and gives them something to demonise.

Oh yeah, I thought that went without saying

[jaxie]

I will probably get jumped on for saying this as anything but being seen to promote all kinds of lifestyles is seen usually as being some kind of raging bigot but I do wonder sometimes if transgender type operations are a bit irresponsible medically. I will confess I don't know too much about the ins and outs but it's always struck me that it must in the long term be unsatisfying. I think it's more of a counselling issue perhaps and more could be done in this area before operating on people. Even after surgery you can't really make someone a woman or a man because you can't give them the reproductive abilities of that sex so really all you are doing is going through the motions isnt' it? It seems more a cosmetic thing than a real sex change, bearing in mind I already said I'm not a font of information on it, it's just my impression.

Now they are saying that several women who have become men are now pregnant on the NHS? Surely you've made your choice by becoming a man? It's all very convenient isn't it? Why go through all that 'sex change' only to go back and have a child in the sex you were born as? Also a little surprised as would have thought they'd remove the female organs if you'd had a sex change but apparently not part of it so what exactly do they do to someone when 'changing sex'?

Anyway having said all that a bit off topic, I would have thought everyones sight ought to have priority over anything cosmetic?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Chewy

I'd think the UK's binge drinking culture takes up more money and time in the NHS than transgender operations.

Yep, they could fund every cosmetic surgery that anyone wants with the money spent on alcohol related injuries and diseases in this country. We can't demonise precious booze, though!

[T*]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's naive to believe they simply chose to not fund one procedure in favour of another. Cataracts are way more common than Gender Dysphoria so if it came to it, it'd likely be gender reassignment ops that got cut back.

There's another reason for the cut but the media will focus on the Cataracts vs Transgender thing since it riles up the bigots and gives them something to demonise.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's naive to believe they simply chose to not fund one procedure in favour of another. Cataracts are way more common than Gender Dysphoria so if it came to it, it'd likely be gender reassignment ops that got cut back.

There's another reason for the cut but the media will focus on the Cataracts vs Transgender thing since it riles up the bigots and gives them something to demonise.

sex changes and boob jobs have sucked billions out of the nhs , those billions mean loads of essential treatments to cure problems , to treat long term health problems, to help people going blind, hip operations are over 2 years in wales, and even in some cases to help life saving treatment...boobs jobs and gender reassigments should be way down the list of priorities in the nhs where resources are so limited. there is only so much in the pot and when more goes to this obviously that money has to be taken away elsewhere. it would be naive and totally illogical to conclude any different

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Tom*

can you make a noise when you clap because those going blind who cant get treatment cant see the clap , thanks

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's naive to believe they simply chose to not fund one procedure in favour of another. Cataracts are way more common than Gender Dysphoria so if it came to it, it'd likely be gender reassignment ops that got cut back.

There's another reason for the cut but the media will focus on the Cataracts vs Transgender thing since it riles up the bigots and gives them something to demonise.

What I think is a huge issue these days is that people cannot have a discussion on anything like this without words like bigot being thrown out. Questioning, debate, conversation, disagreement do not make people bigots.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by jaxie

What I think is a huge issue these days is that people cannot have a discussion on anything like this without words like bigot being thrown out. Questioning, debate, conversation, disagreement do not make people bigots.

exactly im amazed you havent been called one simply for that common sense post.....ive noticed too disabled issues have fallen off the radar in recent yrs..not only are they being humiliated with having all their disability benefits taken off them but there has been pitiful progress on wheelchair access to buildings toilets planes trains automobiles....can anyone get a wheelchair in a toilet train? only 10% of planes have disabled access toilets...and of course all but 1 military hospitals are closed for our injured soliders.our priorities are insane

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jaxie

What I think is a huge issue these days is that people cannot have a discussion on anything like this without words like bigot being thrown out. Questioning, debate, conversation, disagreement do not make people bigots.

What's there to discuss?

Cataract operations are not being stopped because of gender reassignment costs, that argument makes no sense. Gender reassignment isn't exactly a common widespread operation so it wouldn't be a drain on NHS resources. If these operations have been stopped then it's more likely because of the costs of health problems relating to obesity, drinking and smoking which ARE widespread and cost the NHS millions. When it comes to draining the NHS, I doubt the costs of gender reassignment are that much of an issue.

The only reason why the media have said otherwise is to send the bigots into a rage. There's no logic to the story that the media are putting out.

[Shaun]

Oh brilliant, scapegoat the transgender community for absolutely no reason other than tory underfunding. Marvellous. **** off back to the stone age with this divisionist bollocks.

[bitontheslide]

funny all the comments, yet there isn't even a link to evaluate the opening post on.

[the truth]

the only people being abusive here and those who want to see infinite amounts spent on transgender and boob jobs taking funding away from other more vital life saving costs