[easypeasy]

In this day and age people dont face the death penalty for their religious beliefs do they? yes they do in Egypt, and the rest of the world turns a blind eye.please read the linked article and give it a thought,
http://www.freekareem.org/

[Lauren]

Signed the petition, not that it will do anything
It's terrible that Islam puts itself on a pedestal as being forthcoming and accepting of others - yet when it comes to the crunch many aspects of Islam can't handle freedom of speech.

[rex3]

it really aint about freedom of speech, im from the middle east.

and they use Islam in Politics, hence why in different countries Islam is different, compare Saudi Arabia to Lebanon, Iran to Turkey

They use Islam to potray that they are the leaders of the middle eastern people. Yet when this comes to Britain, filtered through Jewish owned media...

secondly its culture. pakistan even tho its islamic, is part of the south asian community, i mean you never here about how oppressed the hindu females are, for example i read on digg.com from a source, that woman in india were bein thrown in the cooker for not listening to there mother in laws. Its society and so on. By the way im not trying to generalise.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by rex3
it really aint about freedom of speech, Im from the middle east.

and they use Islam in Politics

The fact they use Islam in politics clearly shows they're opresses freedom of speech of non-Islamics.

[rex3]

Originally posted by Lauren
The fact they use Islam in politics clearly shows they're opresses freedom of speech of non-Islamics.

WTF... are you on!

of non-islamics! were does that come from...

yeah muslims are some sort of monsters that selatape "non-islamics" and yeah, they use UHU glue just incase a word peeps out.


The west has for ages drained resources and use middleastern counties ESPECIALLY SAUDI ARABIA AS PUPPETS, THEY TELL THEM WHAT TO DO, SELL THEM WEAPONS....YET WHAT YOU DONT UNDERSTAND IS, THEY USE DEMOCRACY AS AN IMAGE FOR THEMSELVES SO THEY'LL NEEEEEEVER GET CAUGHT!....


Islam is used as propaganda to show whos boss, the more RADICAL you are, the more power you can exude to infleunce terrorism and soooo on. ITS ALL POLITICS

AS AN INDIVIDUAL BEING A MUSLIM, i and many (the ones that are not on your TV screens 24/7) dont give a **** what people say to provoke anger.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by rex3

WTF... are you on!

of non-islamics! were does that come from...

yeah muslims are some sort of monsters that selatape "non-islamics" and yeah, they use UHU glue just incase a word peeps out.


The west has for ages drained resources and use middleastern counties ESPECIALLY SAUDI ARABIA AS PUPPETS, THEY TELL THEM WHAT TO DO, SELL THEM WEAPONS....YET WHAT YOU DONT UNDERSTAND IS, THEY USE DEMOCRACY AS AN IMAGE FOR THEMSELVES SO THEY'LL NEEEEEEVER GET CAUGHT!....

I didn't deny that the Western world is draining the Middle-Eastern world... did I?

I was simply claiming that in predominantly Islamic countries the freedom of speech of non-Islamics is often stifled.

And I didn't say Muslims were monsters, so please, don't put words in my mouth.

[rex3]

Originally posted by Lauren

I didn't deny that the Western world is draining the Middle-Eastern world... did I?

so why does that never imply to your tone. you must remember that freedom of speech 50 years aga was non-existant almost in Britain, and places like Eygypt and so on, are nearly exactly that, in terms of Economy and Democracy. Yes Eygypts is also a former CONOLY Drained from its wealth!!!! by some one that rarely gets critisises....

Originally posted by Lauren
I was simply claiming that in predominantly Islamic countries the freedom of speech of non-Islamics is often stifled.

And im saying its Politics, JUST LIKE BUSH USES HIS CHRISTIANITY TO WAGE WARS ON OTHER COUNTRIES ILLEGALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Lauren
And I didn't say Muslims were monsters, so please, don't put words in my mouth.

OK






what im defending in this debate is the common ignorance, and lack of deep thoughtness in such a serious debate with statements that could mean anytinth.

[Lauren]

Okay, I apologise for not showing my equal distaste for the Western World and it's values. I equally dislike Bush and his Republican Christian cronies - but I didn't mention this in my post because I was focusing on Islamic countries in my post.

I disagree with the fact Bush uses Christianity to wage war, but equally I disagree how people growing up in Islamic countries are reprimanded for accepting other religions REGARDLESS of politics.

[rex3]

and i signed the petition. and no i dont sign petitions for only Muslim people. I pay charity to charities in Britain such as the NSPCC, 2.5% of my annual wealth which is also Muslim thing (to specificically pay 2.5%, and NO i dont mean, christians dont pay charity *rex bangs his head on the wall*)

[rex3]

Originally posted by Lauren
I disagree how people growing up in Islamic countries are reprimanded for accepting other religions REGARDLESS of politics.

cool, but i think at this point you should list which countries, do this. 1st world, 2nd world, or 3rd world countries. In Iran, Saudi, Dubai, Turkey, Lebanon, Qatar, Kuwait, Egypt, loads more are aloud to be christians......!

places like somalia is below 3rd world. probably dont, as they are in some sort of social, democratic, political nightmare.

yet places like Bosnia, were ethnic cleansing took place to kill thousands of muslims. The west didnt do nothing for a long time. In attempt to wipe a muslim country off Europe...

I dont mean this in a bad way, but i really suggest visiting http://www.aljazeera.com - It truly is the most un-biased network, it shows bad points from "both sides".

[Lauren]

Originally posted by rex3

cool, but i think at this point you should list which countries, do this. 1st world, 2nd world, or 3rd world countries. In Iran, Saudi, Dubai, Turkey, Lebanon, Qatar, Kuwait, Egypt, loads more are aloud to be christians......!

places like somalia is below 3rd world. probably dont, as they are in some sort of social, democratic, political nightmare.

But isn't Egypt outlawing people who speak out against so-called sheltered societies? Kareem being a prime example.

Edit: And about Bosnia... I agree with you. The west ignore deaths of thousands/millions of Muslims.
Edit2: I've also watched Al Jazeera in the past, before the Western media censored it from our TV's.

[rex3]

I was trying to say that there are christians in those countries. But they use these hard line laws, in terms of psycologic politics. Especially, in the middle east, and trust me there when I tell you HOW SENSATIVE MIDDLE EASTERN POLITICS IS, WHEN IT COMES TO POLITICS AND MIDDLE-EASTERN PEOPLE. POLITICS IS LITERALLY THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN SAVE YOUR ASS, ESPECIALLY WHEN ISRAEL IS TRYING TO INVADE EVER COUNTRY NEARBY, AND CLAIM ITS "HOLY LAND"

e.g. Portugal's Laws about abortion are harming politics there, becuase the countries is so cathlic. My point was not about "Muslims" in general like you said, completly disallowing freedom of speech.

My thought is that, there are different religouns in these muslim countries, but suppressed freedom of speech is not ABOUT ISLAM, western media would like you to think that becuase of the war and the need to grow to hate islam. Rather its about hard line security to psychology of the matter of the state.

e.g. China is against freedom of speech becuase it doesnt want penetrating west to claim its land..!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IT STILL HAS CHRISTIANS!!!!!!!!!!!



ITS ALL ABOUT POLITICS - WHICH IS HOW THE WEST GET AWAY WITH ILLEGAL WARS



p.s. im not trying to be agreesive here, sorry if i have, its just your the millionth person, iv shown my point of view to. no offence completly.

[rex3]

I GAURANTEE YOU THAT IF IT WASNT FOR SCARY WESTERN PRESSURE, "ISLAMIC" COUNTRIES WILL RELAX ITS LAWS.

[rex3]

also, i defently dont agree with the actions those countries do, which is why i signed the petition. but, theres lies and stories behind stupid actions like these, and there not what they (media) tell you...

[Lauren]

Originally posted by rex3
p.s. Im not trying to be agreesive here, sorry if i have, its just your the millionth person, iv shown my point of view to. no offence completly.

No problem, I agree with most of your points - because the Western world is a force (unfortunately) and I am aware they twist and slant events from Islamic countries for their own good. (Probably why Al Jazeera was taken off air, and replaced with 'Al Jazeera England' a much more friendly watered down biased version).

[rex3]

Originally posted by Lauren
Probably why Al Jazeera was taken off air, and replaced with 'Al Jazeera England' a much more friendly watered down biased version).

Al Jazeera English, when the BBC means its watered down it means, the target audience is people who have never seen agreesive wars and explosions monthly across the street.

Leaders, from Saddam, to Saudi Arabian Kings, to Bush dislike Al Jazeera, becuase it shows bad point about every single issue. Just becuase it took a non-western oil rich country to pluck up the couriage, doesnt mean its gonna be biased, this is where the west and other places differ.

I repeat people from Saddam to Bush both sides of the end hated Al Jazeera for exploting and potraying to the world there no-goods, so how can you label it a biased network.

i can understand why the BBC(guess who owns it, with what war is going on) would say it is.

why has the US blocked Al-Jazeera English (which has less violent images*an excuse to show the world how evil Al Jazeera is, YET WE ALL SEE THE SAME IMAGES IN HOLLYWOOD MOVIES*) when the UK which is know to be much more liberated than the US allowed to show it.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by rex3

Al Jazeera English, when the BBC means its watered down it means, the target audience is people who have never seen agreesive wars and explosions monthly across the street.

Leaders, from Saddam, to Saudi Arabian Kings, to Bush dislike Al Jazeera, becuase it shows bad point about every single issue. Just becuase it took a non-western oil rich country to pluck up the couriage, doesnt mean its going to be biased, this is where the west and other places differ.

I repeat people from Saddam to Bush both sides of the end hated Al Jazeera for exploting and potraying to the world that no-goods, so how can you label it a biased network.

i can understand why the BBC(guess who owns it, with what war is going on) would say it is.

Al Jazeera England is a biased version of Al Jazeera - in my opinion. (I don't think the BBC has said anything about it?).

Sky used to show the original arabic Al Jazeera until around 2006 when suddenly they changed it to Al Jazeera England that unlike it's previous channel - showed a biased perspective and didn't portray realistic events in the arab world because the Western World are blind to the damage they're doing to other countries.

[rex3]

Originally posted by rex3
Al Jazeera English, when the BBC means its watered down it means, the target audience is people who have never seen agreesive wars and explosions monthly across the street.

Leaders, from Saddam, to Saudi Arabian Kings, to Bush dislike Al Jazeera, becuase it shows bad point about every single issue. Just becuase it took a non-western oil rich country to pluck up the couriage, doesnt mean its going to be biased, this is where the west and other places differ.

I repeat people from Saddam to Bush both sides of the end hated Al Jazeera for exploting and potraying to the world that no-goods, so how can you label it a biased network.

i can understand why the BBC(guess who owns it, with what war is going on) would say it is.

i'll repeat the above.

Originally posted by Lauren
Al Jazeera England is a biased version of Al Jazeera - in my opinion. (I don't think the BBC has said anything about it?).

Sky used to show the original arabic Al Jazeera until around 2006 when suddenly they changed it to Al Jazeera England that unlike it's previous channel - showed a biased perspective and didn't portray realistic events in the arab world because the Western World are blind to the damage they're doing to other countries.

Well if thats your opinion, your entitled to it. The BBC's has said things about it. And can we not turn this into a society or racial or religious thing, or the "Them vee us!!!" becuase im not.

I really dont think you've seen Al-Jazeera English's programmes, have you seen "The Listening Post" it critises both ends, of the media, and "Inside Iraq" critises actions from both ends. There journalism is far. far more liberated than the BBC and ESPECIALLY FOX!! Its won numerous International AWARDS. Unlike the BBC where it has BEEN INTERNATIONALLY CRITISED FOR ITS BIASED ISSUE WITH PALESTINE!!!

so ... its your opinion anyway

[Lauren]

I think you misunderstood my post. I meant it's watered down and biased because it doesn't show the harsh images that Al Jazeera shows - and I think the British public should see the damage they're doing to Muslim countries.

I don't agree with the BBC or FOX news?

[rex3]

Originally posted by Lauren
I think you misunderstood my post. I meant it's watered down and biased because it doesn't show the harsh images that Al Jazeera shows - and I think the British public should see the damage they're doing to Muslim countries.

I don't agree with the BBC or FOX news?

once again, my head is gonna blow up and im up to here with this issue, so i appolise for my missunderstanding, iv spent too long in American Forums. Sorry anyways, im gonna get on with my uni project. nice getting intelectual with ya lauren. bye

[Lauren]

Originally posted by rex3

once again, my head is going to blow up and Im up to here with this issue, so i appolise for my missunderstanding, iv spent too long in American Forums. Sorry anyways, Im going to get on with my uni project. nice getting intelectual with you lauren. bye

No problem! Nice chatting to you.

[rex3]

thanks easypeasy for the link.. bye lauren,

[abs]

http://www.salafipublications.com/sps/

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru....php?tid=55860