Notices

Serious Debates & News Debate and discussion about political, moral, philosophical, celebrity and news topics.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old 06-10-2016, 11:48 AM #1
LeatherTrumpet's Avatar
LeatherTrumpet LeatherTrumpet is offline
You know my methods
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 92,785


LeatherTrumpet LeatherTrumpet is offline
You know my methods
LeatherTrumpet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 92,785


Default USA: Judge tells woman attorney "take that BLM badge off" and then Jails her





YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio (WKBN) – An attorney was removed from court and taken into custody after a judge declared her in contempt for refusing to take off a Black Lives Matter pin.

Youngstown Municipal Court Judge Robert Milich said Attorney Andrea Burton was in contempt of court for refusing to remove the pin in his courtroom as instructed. Burton was sentenced to five days in jail, but she has been released on a stay while an appeal is underway.

Burton will stay out of jail during the appeals process as long as she obeys Milich’s order not to wear items that make a political statement in court. If she loses her appeal, she will have to serve the five days in jail.

Milich said his opinions have nothing to do with his decision.

“A judge doesn’t support either side,” he said. “A judge is objective and tries to make sure everyone has an opportunity to have a fair hearing, and it was a situation where it was just in violation of the law,” he said.




http://wkbn.com/2016/07/22/attorney-...matter-button/
LeatherTrumpet is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-10-2016, 11:50 AM #2
Niamh.'s Avatar
Niamh. Niamh. is offline
I Love my brick
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Ireland-The peoples Republic of Cork!
Posts: 142,140

Favourites (more):
BB19: Cian
IAC2018: Rita Simons


Niamh. Niamh. is offline
I Love my brick
Niamh.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Ireland-The peoples Republic of Cork!
Posts: 142,140

Favourites (more):
BB19: Cian
IAC2018: Rita Simons


Default

Well I guess if no pins like this are allowed at all then that's fine but I hope they're not being selective about which are and which aren't
__________________

Spoiler:

Quote:
Originally Posted by GiRTh View Post
You compare Jim Davidson to Nelson Mandela?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus. View Post
I know, how stupid? He's more like Gandhi.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14 View Post



Katie Hopkins reveals epilepsy made her suicidal - and says she identifies as a MAN
Quote:
Originally Posted by Livia View Post
Just because she is a giant cock, doesn't make her a man.
Niamh. is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-10-2016, 12:03 PM #3
Scarlett.'s Avatar
Scarlett. Scarlett. is offline
Senior Moment
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 40,621

Favourites (more):
BB2023: Henry
BB7: Nikki


Scarlett. Scarlett. is offline
Senior Moment
Scarlett.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 40,621

Favourites (more):
BB2023: Henry
BB7: Nikki


Default

Makes sense to be fair, a courtroom is no place for political statements.
__________________
Scarlett. is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-10-2016, 12:04 PM #4
Vicky. Vicky. is offline
0_o
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 64,533


Vicky. Vicky. is offline
0_o
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 64,533


Default

Doesn't matter what the badge was tbh, if it was one with a needle/pin it needs to go. Could have read 'I am willing to lick the judges arsehole' and she still would have had to take it off.

Edit. I somehow read this as a safety concern...which is surely how it would have been seen rather than a political thing?! When I went to court I had everything that could possibly be used as a weapon removed. You could do damage with a badge :S
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicky91 View Post
always cook meals, i did have chinese takeaways the year before the corona **** happened
but now not into takeaways anymore
Quote:
Originally Posted by Niamh. View Post
Did you get them delivered from Wuhan?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toy Soldier View Post
I would just like to take a second to congratulate Vicky, for creating the first Tibb post that needed chapters and a bibliography.

Last edited by Vicky.; 06-10-2016 at 12:06 PM.
Vicky. is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-10-2016, 01:24 PM #5
Jamie89's Avatar
Jamie89 Jamie89 is offline
.
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Jakku
Posts: 9,589


Jamie89 Jamie89 is offline
.
Jamie89's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Jakku
Posts: 9,589


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Niamh. View Post
Well I guess if no pins like this are allowed at all then that's fine but I hope they're not being selective about which are and which aren't
Interestingly further down the article it says this...

Attorney and community activist Kim Akins said she is worried about what happened.

“No one wearing an American flag button, no one wearing a crucifix or a Star of David would be removed, so why this particular statement bothered him so much is bothersome,” she said.

The judge said his ruling is based on Supreme Court case law in which a judge can prohibit symbolic political expression in courtrooms, even if it’s not disruptive.

“There’s a difference between a flag, a pin from your church or the Eagles and having a pin that’s on a political issue,” Milich said.


So a patriotic or religious pin for example would have been fine. I don't see the point in needing her to remove it, personally.
__________________


BBCAN: Erica | Will | Veronica | Johnny | Alejandra | Ryan | Paras
Jamie89 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-10-2016, 01:27 PM #6
LeatherTrumpet's Avatar
LeatherTrumpet LeatherTrumpet is offline
You know my methods
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 92,785


LeatherTrumpet LeatherTrumpet is offline
You know my methods
LeatherTrumpet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 92,785


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie89 View Post
Interestingly further down the article it says this...

Attorney and community activist Kim Akins said she is worried about what happened.

“No one wearing an American flag button, no one wearing a crucifix or a Star of David would be removed, so why this particular statement bothered him so much is bothersome,” she said.

The judge said his ruling is based on Supreme Court case law in which a judge can prohibit symbolic political expression in courtrooms, even if it’s not disruptive.

“There’s a difference between a flag, a pin from your church or the Eagles and having a pin that’s on a political issue,” Milich said.


So a patriotic or religious pin for example would have been fine. I don't see the point in needing her to remove it, personally.
What do you think the badge refers to?
LeatherTrumpet is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-10-2016, 01:28 PM #7
Niamh.'s Avatar
Niamh. Niamh. is offline
I Love my brick
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Ireland-The peoples Republic of Cork!
Posts: 142,140

Favourites (more):
BB19: Cian
IAC2018: Rita Simons


Niamh. Niamh. is offline
I Love my brick
Niamh.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Ireland-The peoples Republic of Cork!
Posts: 142,140

Favourites (more):
BB19: Cian
IAC2018: Rita Simons


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie89 View Post
Interestingly further down the article it says this...

Attorney and community activist Kim Akins said she is worried about what happened.

“No one wearing an American flag button, no one wearing a crucifix or a Star of David would be removed, so why this particular statement bothered him so much is bothersome,” she said.

The judge said his ruling is based on Supreme Court case law in which a judge can prohibit symbolic political expression in courtrooms, even if it’s not disruptive.

“There’s a difference between a flag, a pin from your church or the Eagles and having a pin that’s on a political issue,” Milich said.


So a patriotic or religious pin for example would have been fine. I don't see the point in needing her to remove it, personally.
mmhhmm i thought as much
__________________

Spoiler:

Quote:
Originally Posted by GiRTh View Post
You compare Jim Davidson to Nelson Mandela?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus. View Post
I know, how stupid? He's more like Gandhi.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14 View Post



Katie Hopkins reveals epilepsy made her suicidal - and says she identifies as a MAN
Quote:
Originally Posted by Livia View Post
Just because she is a giant cock, doesn't make her a man.
Niamh. is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-10-2016, 01:30 PM #8
LeatherTrumpet's Avatar
LeatherTrumpet LeatherTrumpet is offline
You know my methods
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 92,785


LeatherTrumpet LeatherTrumpet is offline
You know my methods
LeatherTrumpet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 92,785


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Niamh. View Post
mmhhmm i thought as much
what, its not comparable at all?
LeatherTrumpet is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-10-2016, 01:34 PM #9
Niamh.'s Avatar
Niamh. Niamh. is offline
I Love my brick
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Ireland-The peoples Republic of Cork!
Posts: 142,140

Favourites (more):
BB19: Cian
IAC2018: Rita Simons


Niamh. Niamh. is offline
I Love my brick
Niamh.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Ireland-The peoples Republic of Cork!
Posts: 142,140

Favourites (more):
BB19: Cian
IAC2018: Rita Simons


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet View Post
what, its not comparable at all?
Yes it is, religions are pretty political, especially in the States
__________________

Spoiler:

Quote:
Originally Posted by GiRTh View Post
You compare Jim Davidson to Nelson Mandela?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus. View Post
I know, how stupid? He's more like Gandhi.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14 View Post



Katie Hopkins reveals epilepsy made her suicidal - and says she identifies as a MAN
Quote:
Originally Posted by Livia View Post
Just because she is a giant cock, doesn't make her a man.
Niamh. is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-10-2016, 01:39 PM #10
LeatherTrumpet's Avatar
LeatherTrumpet LeatherTrumpet is offline
You know my methods
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 92,785


LeatherTrumpet LeatherTrumpet is offline
You know my methods
LeatherTrumpet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 92,785


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Niamh. View Post
Yes it is, religions are pretty political, especially in the States
BLM is a contentious organisation with a debatable standpoint against the police (the last large study showed that their main contention was in fact false) To wear it as a representative of the state in a legal standpoint is disgraceful and contemptible.

I agree that ridiculous religious attire should also be banned
LeatherTrumpet is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-10-2016, 01:40 PM #11
Kizzy's Avatar
Kizzy Kizzy is offline
Likes cars that go boom
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 41,755


Kizzy Kizzy is offline
Likes cars that go boom
Kizzy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 41,755


Default

I agree it should be removed, the only issue in the courtroom should be the case being heard. I feel sorry for the guy whose day in court was compromised. Fine have her removed but the jail term? That's excessive :/
__________________
Kizzy is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-10-2016, 01:41 PM #12
Niamh.'s Avatar
Niamh. Niamh. is offline
I Love my brick
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Ireland-The peoples Republic of Cork!
Posts: 142,140

Favourites (more):
BB19: Cian
IAC2018: Rita Simons


Niamh. Niamh. is offline
I Love my brick
Niamh.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Ireland-The peoples Republic of Cork!
Posts: 142,140

Favourites (more):
BB19: Cian
IAC2018: Rita Simons


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet View Post
BLM is a contentious organisation with a debatable standpoint against the police (the last large study showed that their main contention was in fact false) To wear it as a representative of the state in a legal standpoint is disgraceful and contemptible.

I agree that ridiculous religious attire should also be banned
Glad you agree with me
__________________

Spoiler:

Quote:
Originally Posted by GiRTh View Post
You compare Jim Davidson to Nelson Mandela?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jesus. View Post
I know, how stupid? He's more like Gandhi.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14 View Post



Katie Hopkins reveals epilepsy made her suicidal - and says she identifies as a MAN
Quote:
Originally Posted by Livia View Post
Just because she is a giant cock, doesn't make her a man.
Niamh. is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-10-2016, 01:57 PM #13
Jamie89's Avatar
Jamie89 Jamie89 is offline
.
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Jakku
Posts: 9,589


Jamie89 Jamie89 is offline
.
Jamie89's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Jakku
Posts: 9,589


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet View Post
What do you think the badge refers to?
It refers to Black Lives Matter, obviously

If there's no set rule (which there isn't) then that's why I think it shouldn't have been an issue. If the US justice system wants to implement a rule that says BLM badges can't be worn, or no badges can be worn, then that's a different scenario.
She was jailed without breaking the law and there's also questions over whether her civil rights have been violated. It's all a bit much over a badge.
__________________


BBCAN: Erica | Will | Veronica | Johnny | Alejandra | Ryan | Paras
Jamie89 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-10-2016, 02:00 PM #14
Livia's Avatar
Livia Livia is offline
שטח זה להשכרה
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Brasov, Transylvania
Posts: 31,095


Livia Livia is offline
שטח זה להשכרה
Livia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Brasov, Transylvania
Posts: 31,095


Default

Attorneys (barristers in this country) are not allowed to make a personal political statement in court. Make it outside... but not inside. Follow the rules or find another job.
Livia is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-10-2016, 02:01 PM #15
LeatherTrumpet's Avatar
LeatherTrumpet LeatherTrumpet is offline
You know my methods
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 92,785


LeatherTrumpet LeatherTrumpet is offline
You know my methods
LeatherTrumpet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 92,785


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie89 View Post
It refers to Black Lives Matter, obviously

If there's no set rule (which there isn't) then that's why I think it shouldn't have been an issue. If the US justice system wants to implement a rule that says BLM badges can't be worn, or no badges can be worn, then that's a different scenario.
She was jailed without breaking the law and there's also questions over whether her civil rights have been violated. It's all a bit much over a badge.
It assumes that police target and murder people based on colour and its a lie, they dont

Its a disgusting "badge" for any lawyer to wear and in the court the judge rules and he rightly told her to do one
LeatherTrumpet is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-10-2016, 02:01 PM #16
Livia's Avatar
Livia Livia is offline
שטח זה להשכרה
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Brasov, Transylvania
Posts: 31,095


Livia Livia is offline
שטח זה להשכרה
Livia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Brasov, Transylvania
Posts: 31,095


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie89 View Post
It refers to Black Lives Matter, obviously

If there's no set rule (which there isn't) then that's why I think it shouldn't have been an issue. If the US justice system wants to implement a rule that says BLM badges can't be worn, or no badges can be worn, then that's a different scenario.
She was jailed without breaking the law and there's also questions over whether her civil rights have been violated. It's all a bit much over a badge.
She was found to be in contempt of court. Of course she broke the law. I think the judge would know...
Livia is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-10-2016, 02:01 PM #17
bitontheslide's Avatar
bitontheslide bitontheslide is offline
self-oscillating
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 45,256

Favourites:
BB2023: Noky
BB19: Sian


bitontheslide bitontheslide is offline
self-oscillating
bitontheslide's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 45,256

Favourites:
BB2023: Noky
BB19: Sian


Default

You wouldn't expect it to be acceptable if a lawyer wore a badge in court saying sponsored by walmart or whatever, and this is pretty much saying the same thing. its giving prominence to something that is not relevant to the case. Surely, thats whats important.

Last edited by bitontheslide; 06-10-2016 at 02:02 PM.
bitontheslide is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-10-2016, 02:07 PM #18
Tom4784 Tom4784 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 45,095
Tom4784 Tom4784 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 45,095
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie89 View Post
Interestingly further down the article it says this...

Attorney and community activist Kim Akins said she is worried about what happened.

“No one wearing an American flag button, no one wearing a crucifix or a Star of David would be removed, so why this particular statement bothered him so much is bothersome,” she said.

The judge said his ruling is based on Supreme Court case law in which a judge can prohibit symbolic political expression in courtrooms, even if it’s not disruptive.

“There’s a difference between a flag, a pin from your church or the Eagles and having a pin that’s on a political issue,” Milich said.


So a patriotic or religious pin for example would have been fine. I don't see the point in needing her to remove it, personally.
She's got a point. if you're going to enforce something like this than it needs to be all or nothing. It just makes the judge look like he was singling out BLM.
Tom4784 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-10-2016, 02:10 PM #19
Livia's Avatar
Livia Livia is offline
שטח זה להשכרה
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Brasov, Transylvania
Posts: 31,095


Livia Livia is offline
שטח זה להשכרה
Livia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Brasov, Transylvania
Posts: 31,095


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dezzy View Post
She's got a point. if you're going to enforce something like this than it needs to be all or nothing. It just makes the judge look like he was singling out BLM.
It IS all or nothing.

NO political symbols in court. This has nothing to do with religion or with which team you support. Unless you want the KKK wearing their badges in court.

Last edited by Livia; 06-10-2016 at 02:10 PM.
Livia is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-10-2016, 02:21 PM #20
Jamie89's Avatar
Jamie89 Jamie89 is offline
.
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Jakku
Posts: 9,589


Jamie89 Jamie89 is offline
.
Jamie89's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: Jakku
Posts: 9,589


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Livia View Post
She was found to be in contempt of court. Of course she broke the law. I think the judge would know...
The contempt of court was for not removing the badge when asked, she wasn't breaking any rules or laws by wearing it in the first place. And the judge asked her to remove it based on what he wanted personally, rather than it being because a rule or law was broken. That's why her civil rights have been brought into question. I know you've said in UK courts political symbols simply aren't allowed but according to this article, that's not the case here.
__________________


BBCAN: Erica | Will | Veronica | Johnny | Alejandra | Ryan | Paras
Jamie89 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-10-2016, 02:23 PM #21
Tom4784 Tom4784 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 45,095
Tom4784 Tom4784 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 45,095
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Livia View Post
It IS all or nothing.

NO political symbols in court. This has nothing to do with religion or with which team you support. Unless you want the KKK wearing their badges in court.
Yet patriotic and Religious symbols which are just as much of a political issue in the US are allowed? That's picking and choosing.
Tom4784 is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-10-2016, 02:27 PM #22
Livia's Avatar
Livia Livia is offline
שטח זה להשכרה
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Brasov, Transylvania
Posts: 31,095


Livia Livia is offline
שטח זה להשכרה
Livia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Brasov, Transylvania
Posts: 31,095


Default

The judge has the final say on what goes on in their court. Political symbols are not to be worn. And political symbols are NOT the same as religious and/or patriotic symbols... no matter which way you spin it.

No one's civil rights have infringed. If the an attorney supported the KKK and wore a badge to court they would also be told to remove it without infringing their civil liberties.
Livia is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-10-2016, 02:46 PM #23
Mokka's Avatar
Mokka Mokka is offline
Mokka
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Canada
Posts: 10,037

Favourites (more):
BB19: Tomasz
CBB22: Kirstie Alley


Mokka Mokka is offline
Mokka
Mokka's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Canada
Posts: 10,037

Favourites (more):
BB19: Tomasz
CBB22: Kirstie Alley


Default

Religious freedom and freedom of religious expression are legally protected in the USA....so no, they are not viewed there as political statements. And Patriotism is never going to go out of style there either. It's America people....that is who Americans are by definition.
Mokka is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-10-2016, 02:50 PM #24
Toy Soldier Toy Soldier is offline
-
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 30,350


Toy Soldier Toy Soldier is offline
-
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 30,350


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Livia View Post
The judge has the final say on what goes on in their court. Political symbols are not to be worn. And political symbols are NOT the same as religious and/or patriotic symbols... no matter which way you spin it.

No one's civil rights have infringed. If the an attorney supported the KKK and wore a badge to court they would also be told to remove it without infringing their civil liberties.
Hmmmm religion I can just about accept, but how is patriotism not political?
Toy Soldier is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Old 06-10-2016, 02:55 PM #25
Vicky. Vicky. is offline
0_o
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 64,533


Vicky. Vicky. is offline
0_o
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 64,533


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie89 View Post
Interestingly further down the article it says this...

Attorney and community activist Kim Akins said she is worried about what happened.

“No one wearing an American flag button, no one wearing a crucifix or a Star of David would be removed, so why this particular statement bothered him so much is bothersome,” she said.

The judge said his ruling is based on Supreme Court case law in which a judge can prohibit symbolic political expression in courtrooms, even if it’s not disruptive.

“There’s a difference between a flag, a pin from your church or the Eagles and having a pin that’s on a political issue,” Milich said.


So a patriotic or religious pin for example would have been fine. I don't see the point in needing her to remove it, personally.
Oh, I didn't read the article..in this case thats really crap. Should be all or nothing really.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nicky91 View Post
always cook meals, i did have chinese takeaways the year before the corona **** happened
but now not into takeaways anymore
Quote:
Originally Posted by Niamh. View Post
Did you get them delivered from Wuhan?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Toy Soldier View Post
I would just like to take a second to congratulate Vicky, for creating the first Tibb post that needed chapters and a bibliography.
Vicky. is offline   Reply With QuoteReply With Quote
Reply

Bookmark/share this topic

Tags
attorney, jails, judge, take that blm badge off, tells, usa, woman

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 05:02 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
 

About Us ThisisBigBrother.com

"Big Brother and UK Television Forum. Est. 2001"

 

© 2023
no new posts