[kirklancaster]

Christian children KICKED OUT of school for refusing to wear hijab or recite Koran

CHRISTIAN children are being deprived of their education and being ousted from schools for refusing to wear a hijab, it has been revealed.

Schools across Egypt are forcing girls of every religion to wear the Muslim headscarf and children of both sexes are being punished if they cannot quote the Koran off by heart.

Even Muslim girls who refuse to wear a hijab are being forced out of school in a country where Coptic Christians have previously been able to live free of persecution.

Rahman Salem, 12, was ordered to leave her lesson and banned from taking part in any activities at her school in the Delta, northern Egypt.

Other pupils gave her nasty looks and started leaving the Muslim girl out over the incident.

She said: "I was made to stand all alone in the school courtyard.

“The headmistress later came to me and said: ‘Here in school, you put on the headscarf. Outside, you may do as you wish.’

"No girl can show up with her hair showing. They all have to wear the hijab.

"Christian girls have to wear the hijab. As soon as the end-of-day bell rings, they start taking it off.”

I was told ‘Stop being an idiot! Don’t you want your daughter to be decent?’
Says Mother

"I was shocked when other mothers stopped me at the gate. ‘What’s that? How can your daughter show up like this?’

“I re-inspected my daughter’s uniform, and incredulously asked what was wrong. ‘Her head and neck have to be strictly covered!’"

Last month another school in the same province of Sharqia put in force rules to make all female students wear a hijab, with the al-Nassiriya School’s headteacher posting a large sign saying Islam dress is now part of the girls’ uniform.

And Christian seven-year-old Viola Samir told how her Islamic religious studies teacher held eight Christian pupils in her class of 35 children back.

The teacher then beat anyone who had not learnt the Koran off by heart.

Usually, Christian students in Egypt move to a different classroom during religious studies classes where they learn about Christianity while Muslims stay and learn about Islam.

Viola’s father told Christian persecution website, World Watch Monitor: "When my daughter told the teacher that the extra texts were not part of the Arabic curriculum [which all students have to learn], she was severely punished by her teacher.

"The Christian religious studies teacher complained to the headmaster, but he took no disciplinary action against the Muslim teacher.

“In the end, the teacher allowed the Christian children to leave the class to join their Christian studies class.”

Another parent in a different school in the same town of Samalout, 155 miles from Cairo, said his 11-year-old son son was caned for not reciting verses from the Koran.

He said: “"Once, the teacher, Mohamed, caned Abanob on the back of his hands, afterwards forcing him to stand with his face to the board and both arms up in the air for the entire length of the lesson.

“My son had failed to repeat the Koranic text by heart when prompted to.”

All the parents said their children now hate going to school and are often absent due to bullying from both teachers and children.

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[arista]

Yes its going backwards

Should be a main news story.

[jaxie]

It's such a shame as Egypt was quite a moderate country on religion. It's like going back to the dark ages. Though it sounds like parents need to stand up for their children's rights more. Any teacher who beat or caned my child and made them stand up with their arms up for hours would be having a visit from me and he police.

An outrageous way to treat children.

Waiting to be told that it's acceptable because it's Islam and that we should give them some money towards new canes because the naughty Christians are breaking theirs.

[Withano]

This is obviously terrible..

Naming no names, but theres a few on here who thought the burqa should be banned in the UK, it'll be interesting to see if they have a problem with Christians being told how to dress..

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

This is obviously terrible..

Naming no names, but theres a few on here who thought the burqa should be banned in the UK, it'll be interesting to see if they have a problem with Christians being told how to dress..

Actually it should probably be banned everywhere because it is religious oppression of women. As should any religious doctrine telling people to stone other human beings for perceived wrongs/immodesty, telling people what to wear and that they aren't allowed to use contraceptives etc.

Unfortunately there are people who think that is all OK in the name of religion because some man told everyone god said it.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Actually it should probably be banned everywhere because it is religious oppression of women. As should any religious doctrine telling people to stone other human beings for perceived wrongs/immodesty, telling people what to wear and that they aren't allowed to use contraceptives etc.

Unfortunately there are people who think that is all OK in the name of religion because some man told everyone god said it.

But youre not really saying burquas are forced on women by men therefore they should be banned and they should take them off immediately. That would be hypocritical. Youre not really saying that Brits can force dresscodes off people but Egyptians may not do the opposite. That would also be hypocritical.

So what are you really saying, that post didnt come off well.

I think your point is that 'anti-religion' is superior to 'any religion' therefore act like me. But thats a bit too dark of a discussion for me to have. Live and let live etc. Lets not force the burquas off people, lets not force burquas on people, lets sympathise and join in outrage when people try to enforce one rule or the other.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

But youre not really saying burquas are forced on women by men therefore they should be banned and they should take them off immediately. That would be hypocritical. Youre not really saying that Brits can force dresscodes off people but Egyptians may not do the opposite. That would also be hypocritical.

So what are you really saying, that post didnt come off well.

What I'm saying is forcing anyone to wear a religious uniform is wrong. Brainwashing people into wearing a religious uniform is also wrong. Personally I think the world would be a happier place without silly made up religious rules.

Unfortunately stopping the use of religious uniform would probably require banning it which in a sense would also be forcing it to end. In an ideal world people get to choose, in reality very few do. Bear in mind my use of the word probably. Probably for the greater good religious uniform ought to banned. In reality that is difficult to do without taking away the right to choose. What I think might be the better route isn't necessary the route that can be taken. However I do think there might be a case with regard hidden faces and head to floor covering with regard hidden terrorism/crime.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

What I'm saying is forcing anyone to wear a religious uniform is wrong. Brainwashing people into wearing a religious uniform is also wrong. Personally I think the world would be a happier place without silly made up religious rules.

Unfortunately stopping the use of religious uniform would probably require banning it which in a sense would also be forcing it to end. In an ideal world people get to choose, in reality very few do. Bear in mind my use of the word probably. Probably for the greater good religious uniform ought to banned. In reality that is difficult to do without taking away the right to choose. What I think might be the better route isn't necessary the route that can be taken. However I do think there might be a case with regard hidden faces and head to floor covering with regard hidden terrorism/crime.

Alright, I just think its a bit hypocritical.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Alright, I just think its a bit hypocritical.

What exactly do you find hypocritical about it?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

What exactly do you find hypocritical about it?

Literally all of it.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Literally all of it.

That doesn't explain why it is hypocritical in your view. Do you understand what hypocritical means?

I'm definitely not claiming to have beliefs I don't possess.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

That doesn't explain why it is hypocritical in your view. Do you understand what hypocritical means?

Forcing clothig on people is wrong? That is your point
Forcing a worldwide ban on specific clothing is fine? Thats hypocritical

We'll agree to disagree here. I was worried about comments like yours when I read the OP. Live and let live. The story in the OP is morally wrong, so is the polar opposite.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Forcing clothig on people is wrong? That is your point
Forcing a worldwide ban on specific clothing is fine? Thats hypocritical

We'll agree to disagree here. I was worried about comments like yours when I read the OP. Live and let live. The story in the OP is morally wrong, so is the polar opposite.

That's not exactly what I said though is it. I worry about people who cant see the bigger picture. If you want to talk morally wrong look at what people do in the name of religion or failing that, have a good hard look at the EU.

[Firewire]

Do you think nuns opting to wear religious dress as well as covering their heads is oppression?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Do you think nuns opting to wear religious dress as well as covering their heads is oppression?

I do actually it's just another form of religious indoctrination.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I do actually it's just another form of religious indoctrination.

Even though it's by choice?

What about Sikh men who wear turbans? Are they oppressed?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Actually it should probably be banned everywhere

Originally Posted by jaxie

What I'm saying is forcing anyone to wear a religious uniform is wrong.

Unfortunately stopping the use of religious uniform would probably require banning it which in a sense would also be forcing it to end.

Originally Posted by Withano

Forcing clothig on people is wrong? That is your point
Forcing a worldwide ban on specific clothing is fine? Thats hypocritical

Originally Posted by jaxie

That's not exactly what I said though is it.

Ok Jaxie

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Even though it's by choice?

What about Sikh men who wear turbans? Are they oppressed?

Is it a choice? Or has it been taught?

It doesn't matter what religion it is, religiois uniform is generally unhealthy interference by religion into people's daily lives. Although I don't know enough about Sikh's to say if they have been told they are immodest and will drive the opposite sex to rape and madness if they don't wear it.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Ok Jaxie

Yes I'm consistent, where is the hypocrisy?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Yes I'm consistent, where is the hypocrisy?

Originally Posted by jaxie

What I'm saying is forcing anyone to wear a religious uniform is wrong.

Originally Posted by jaxie

Actually it should probably be banned everywhere

Originally Posted by Withano

Forcing clothig on people is wrong? That is your point
Forcing a worldwide ban on specific clothing is fine? Thats hypocritical

Ok Jaxie

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Ok Jaxie

Still not seeing the hypocrisy. I already stated, which you are conveniently ignoring that in reality it would be difficult to do because then the state is telling people what to wear. You are confusing my saying it would be better for people not to be hampered by silly religious uniforms with my in some way enforcing that.

[Tom4784]

Obviously wrong and I hope the teachers face harsh punishments for it but I do agree with Withano about hypocrisy.

I never really understood how anyone would simply take a caning though, if a teacher ever tried to hit me, I'd stamp on their ****ing throat.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Even though it's by choice?

What about Sikh men who wear turbans? Are they oppressed?

That seems quite naive as it is clear that when people are subject to both religous and cultural indoctrination from birth, with significant opposition to any deviation from such beliefs, it is extremely unlikely that 'choice' was ever a option in reality.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Obviously wrong and I hope the teachers face harsh punishments for it but I do agree with Withano about hypocrisy.

I never really understood how anyone would simply take a caning though, if a teacher ever tried to hit me, I'd stamp on their ****ing throat.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Do you think nuns opting to wear religious dress as well as covering their heads is oppression?

That is a ridiculous analogy. Clearly becoming a nunn is a choice, but knowing how oppressive certain religions can be towards women casts considerable doubt as to how much 'choice' women really have to cover themselves.

This really annoys me because there would probably be uproar on here if gay or black men were forced/conditioned (amounts to the same) to wear such restrictive clothing, but when many men in particular, appear to have such an apathetic reaction to women having to do so it reeks of sexist undertones to me.