[Northern Monkey]

You guessed it.....MTV

Youtube video

[MB.]

Can we please stop posting this arsehole's videos and base our arguments on something slightly more credible instead; I thought he'd die down after the election but clearly not

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by MB.

Can we please stop posting this arsehole's videos and base our arguments on something slightly more credible instead; I thought he'd die down after the election but clearly not

He is the calming voice of balance to this racist MTV lady.He is the ying to her yang

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by MB.

Can we please stop posting this arsehole's videos and base our arguments on something slightly more credible instead; I thought he'd die down after the election but clearly not

Maybe you could post something that in your opinion is more credible then?

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Maybe you could post something that in your opinion is more credible then?

I'm not the one making a thread, but I don't know - how about a news source, rather than some video a bloke made in his bedroom a year and a half ago? Just a suggestion

(ps I watched the original video and a minute of scrolling into the comments threw up "god I hate this socialist Nazi bitch", "you are human cancer", "this nasty ****" and "you just went full ******", so if that's the kind of stuff this guy's videos incites, yay indeed)

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by MB.

I'm not the one making a thread, but I don't know - how about a news source, rather than some video a bloke made in his bedroom a year and a half ago? Just a suggestion

(ps I watched the original video and a minute of scrolling into the comments threw up "god I hate this socialist Nazi bitch", "you are human cancer", "this nasty ****" and "you just went full ******", so if that's the kind of stuff this guy's videos incites, yay indeed)

I don't think you need a news source to confirm that sections of all societies can be and are racist, I agree with Shaun's comment about institutional racism though

[Tom4784]

Ugh, not this ridiculous potato of a man.

[Niamh.]

White people can't be racist?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

White people can't be racist?

Ooops!Doh!Derp!

I changed it

[MB.]

Ah, you're posting year-and-a-half-old videos, that explains it

"News" indeed

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by MB.

Ah, you're posting year-and-a-half-old videos, that explains it

"News" indeed

I never said it was news.But it may encourage serious debate

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I never said it was news.But it may encourage serious debate

...you realise you're on TiBB, right?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I never said it was news.But it may encourage serious debate

It is an interesting debate if we can all try and act like adults and not start insulting eachother

**this message is not directed at anyone in particular. Terms and conditions apply

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It is an interesting debate if we can all try and act like adults and not start insulting eachother

**this message is not directed at anyone in particular. Terms and conditions apply

Yes boss

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Yes boss

[Black Dagger]

His voice and face go right through me, irritating trog. GO AWAY.

[Shaun]

Obviously anyone can be racist (Avenue Q promo?)

Yes there's a huge difference - in terms of how big a problem it is and how unjust it is - between personal instances of racism and widespread/institutional racism (ie. the police discriminating against black people) but it exists as a rarer phenomenon.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Obviously anyone can be racist (Avenue Q promo?)

Yes there's a huge difference - in terms of how big a problem it is and how unjust it is - between personal instances of racism and widespread/institutional racism (ie. the police discriminating against black people) but it exists as a rarer phenomenon.

I've argued this point blue in the face on this site (and others) a couple of times - the main problem is that for some reason, there are people who simply straight up refuse to acknowledge or use the term "institutional racism", and define it separately to "racism". They want to define "racism" AS "institutional racism", and leave no term to replace the word "racism".

There is NOTHING WRONG with the term institutional racism! Why don't people want to use it? Why do people think it for some reason dilutes the term? Drives me nuts... the insane need to make language more convoluted than it should be. So that Institutional Racism suddenly doesn't exist, that's just racism, and other "racially motivated prejudice" is "just prejudice not racism".

Which is frankly ****ing retarded, not just because of the dictionary definition of racism, but because of the word origins of an -ism itself. It's a simple word. Race, and -ism. NEITHER term has ANYTHING to do with power structures. The word has nothing to do with the balance of power in any situation. Racism IS racially motivated prejudice. Nothing more, nothing less, no further discussion nor information required. The addition of the word "institutional" is what makes power significant. Not only is there no reason to cut the word out... doing so is completely counter-productive. Institutional Racism as opposed to Personal Racism. A person of a majority group cannot experience institutional racism but they can certainly experience personal racism (and of course the same goes for the -ist... a minority member can absolutely be personally racist but will not be able to enforce institutional racism).

TL;DR the main problem is that people are absolutely ****ing desperate to dumb-down language.


The second issue of course is that a lot of this rhetoric stems from the United States, and the United States (as a whole) struggles to have any sort of perspective that is not based on their own country. In the US as a whole "only white people can be institutionally racist" because the majority of US citizens are caucasian. This applies ONLY in countries where the majority population, or the majority in power at least, is caucasian. In China or Japan, for example, there is PLENTY of racism - both personal and institutional - experienced by white people and people of any other non-majority race.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I've argued this point blue in the face on this site (and others) a couple of times - the main problem is that for some reason, there are people who simply straight up refuse to acknowledge or use the term "institutional racism", and define it separately to "racism". They want to define "racism" AS "institutional racism", and leave no term to replace the word "racism".

There is NOTHING WRONG with the term institutional racism! Why don't people want to use it? Why do people think it for some reason dilutes the term? Drives me nuts... the insane need to make language more convoluted than it should be. So that Institutional Racism suddenly doesn't exist, that's just racism, and other "racially motivated prejudice" is "just prejudice not racism".

Which is frankly ****ing retarded, not just because of the dictionary definition of racism, but because of the word origins of an -ism itself. It's a simple word. Race, and -ism. NEITHER term has ANYTHING to do with power structures. The word has nothing to do with the balance of power in any situation. Racism IS racially motivated prejudice. Nothing more, nothing less, no further discussion nor information required. The addition of the word "institutional" is what makes power significant. Not only is there no reason to cut the word out... doing so is completely counter-productive. Institutional Racism as opposed to Personal Racism. A person of a majority group cannot experience institutional racism but they can certainly experience personal racism (and of course the same goes for the -ist... a minority member can absolutely be personally racist but will not be able to enforce institutional racism).

TL;DR the main problem is that people are absolutely ****ing desperate to dumb-down language.


The second issue of course is that a lot of this rhetoric stems from the United States, and the United States (as a whole) struggles to have any sort of perspective that is not based on their own country. In the US as a whole "only white people can be institutionally racist" because the majority of US citizens are caucasian. This applies ONLY in countries where the majority population, or the majority in power at least, is caucasian. In China or Japan, for example, there is PLENTY of racism - both personal and institutional - experienced by white people and people of any other non-majority race.

Bang on.

[Withano]

I would define racism (any ism) as an attack or intolerance towards a minority group. I think we can all agree it would be difficult for a minority race to be intolerant towards a majority race of their perspective community, which I presume is the girls point.. But perhaps a minority race can be intolerant towards a different minority race, which I presume is the blokes point.

Cba to watch the video though because I cant stand the bloke, I'm only reacting to the title and the first twenty secs.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

I would define racism (any ism) as an attack or intolerance towards a minority group. I think we can all agree it would be difficult for a minority race to be intolerant towards a majority race of their perspective community, which I presume is the girls point.. But perhaps a minority race can be intolerant towards a different minority race, which I presume is the blokes point.

Cba to watch the video though because I cant stand the bloke, I'm only reacting to the title and the first twenty secs.

What about in a case where say a white person lived in a mainly black area and experienced discrimination because of their colour, would they then be the minority race or not?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

What about in a case where say a white person lived in a mainly black area and experienced discrimination because of their colour, would they then be the minority race or not?

Yeh, I would say so.. I was desperately trying to think of an example when I wrote the post above, but couldnt think of one haha.

Some areas of South Africa perhaps may see racism towards caucasians? Im sure theres better examples

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Yeh, I would say so.. I was desperately trying to think of an example when I wrote the post above, but couldnt think of one haha.

Some areas of South Africa perhaps may see racism towards caucasians? Im sure theres better examples

I do think Shauns post is spot on though

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Obviously anyone can be racist (Avenue Q promo?)

Yes there's a huge difference - in terms of how big a problem it is and how unjust it is - between personal instances of racism and widespread/institutional racism (ie. the police discriminating against black people) but it exists as a rarer phenomenon.

Originally Posted by Withano

I would define racism (any ism) as an attack or intolerance towards a minority group. I think we can all agree it would be difficult for a minority race to be intolerant towards a majority race of their perspective community, which I presume is the girls point.. But perhaps a minority race can be intolerant towards a different minority race, which I presume is the blokes point.

Cba to watch the video though because I cant stand the bloke, I'm only reacting to the title and the first twenty secs.

Originally Posted by Withano

Yeh, I would say so.. I was desperately trying to think of an example when I wrote the post above, but couldnt think of one haha.

Some areas of South Africa perhaps may see racism towards caucasians? Im sure theres better examples

I pretty much agree with all of this tbh.

[MB.]

The issue of institutional racism seems to be what the woman in the video is talking about; the only problem I can see is that she doesn't actually label it as that and it's been turned into this "MTV says black people can't be racist!" thing as a result