[arista]

Great Debate
on GMBHD itv
was on at 7:46AM

watch on +1

It had a Young Lady Gay Vicar
who is normally doing weekend papers
on bbc1am

And a Lady standing by her God Rules,


PM David Cameron brought this in
(Upsetting many in his own Party)
years ago, but the Church of England
today is having another Long Vote today

[Cal.]

Wouldn't want to get married in their gross churches anyway.

[LeatherTrumpet]

I think we need to shake off this church and marriage bolloxio and build some lovely marriage specific buildings where people can get married in. Forget about churches and vicars as they are irrelevant when it comes to marriage

[armand.kay]

Why are gays so thirsty to get married in a church we're better than this.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Why are gays so thirsty to get married in a church we're better than this.

The last few weddings of people I know haven't even been in Churches and these were straight weddings, people seem to be doing the whole lot, the actual sermon and the reception all at the Hotels now, it's dying out for everyone anyway

[ebandit]

...why? would anyone wish to be married anyway.................time to move on

Mark L

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I think we need to shake off this church and marriage bolloxio and build some lovely marriage specific buildings where people can get married in. Forget about churches and vicars as they are irrelevant when it comes to marriage

I think with some it's more about challenging the system and marrying in a church to prove a point.

[Livia]

I'm going to say the same thing I always say when this subject comes up: I couldn't get married in a synagogue because my husband wasn't Jewish. I would have liked to have married in a synagogue but I understand that those are the rules. It didn't make me feel any less Jewish. Also, if the Church of England are to be required to marry gay people, so are Catholics, Jews, Muslims etc.... so good luck with that.

[Withano]

I think each priest / vicar should decide (I believe that is whats currently happening?). Wasnt a thread made a few months ago about empty seats and attendance though. Its weird that they havent put the two together. Christianity no longer fits in with the UKs culture really. They've bent some rules so that women can become vicars, stoning people to death for being aduleterers (Jamie) gets skimmed over too.. the pope even declared that God created evolution.. it seems about time they metophorically scribble out the three or four anti-gay lines.. but as I said, I think that should be left for each priest and vicar to personally decide.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm going to say the same thing I always say when this subject comes up: I couldn't get married in a synagogue because my husband wasn't Jewish. I would have liked to have married in a synagogue but I understand that those are the rules. It didn't make me feel any less Jewish. Also, if the Church of England are to be required to marry gay people, so are Catholics, Jews, Muslims etc.... so good luck with that.

Yeah my mom got remarried and married in a hotel because her and her husband were both divorced and that's against Catholic rules. She's not religious really so she wasn't bothered, I think her new husband was a bit though. I don't know why people would even want to get married in such an intolerant type of place anyway tbh

Saying that i did get married in a Church myself just because I liked the Gothic-ness of it all plus my uncle married us and he's a really interesting Priest (ex priest now) If I had my time over I would go somewhere sunny and get married on a Beach

[LeatherTrumpet]

I was married in the church whose spire was the actual inspiration for all wedding cakes

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I was married in the church whose spire was the actual inspiration for all wedding cakes

Really?

[Withano]

I thought money was the inspiration for wedding cakes

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Really?

Yes, the most ancient church in Londinium

[Ronald.]

My wife and I got married in a church but recently we went to my nieces wedding in the lake district and that was all outside. It was lovely! They were tieing the knot - quite literally with ribbon! (I think something with pagan symbolism? Correct me if wrong). No religious vows. It was different to a "normal" wedding, but I think what we previously viewed as a normal wedding is no longer the norm. I like all weddings. R.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Withano

I thought money was the inspiration for wedding cakes

No, money was the inspiration for churches sweetie

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No money was the inspiration for churches sweetie

haha very true

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes, the most ancient church in Londinium

They are fantastic buildings, as anti religion as I am, I just love the architecture of churches and Cathedrals especially the older ones

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I think with some it's more about challenging the system and marrying in a church to prove a point.

Probably mostly to do with equal rights, anti-discrimination, and people wanting themselves/their friends/their family to marry before the God they were raised with though. What an oddly simplistic take on a serious issue.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Probably mostly to do with equal rights, anti-discrimination, and people wanting themselves/their friends/their family to marry before the God they were raised with though. What an oddly simplistic take on a serious issue.

I understand that to a point and certainly don't agree with religious business owners etc discriminating against people in "the real world" but religions by their very nature discriminate in order to follow whatever their religions rules are. Like already stated Livia couldn't get married in a synagogue because her husband wasn't Jewish, my mother couldn't get remarried in the Church because she was divorced, women aren't allowed become Priests which would be blatant sexism in the "real world" etc. So imo, a church shouldn't be forced on this one issue by government because if they're forced on this one thing then they should be forced on all of them and not be allowed to discriminate against anyone over anything and then they wouldn't have any exclusive rules anymore and would not really be that religion anymore.

I do however think that if it's a big issue for gay people they are well within their rights to put pressure on their religions themselves to try and get some reformation on the issue

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The last few weddings of people I know haven't even been in Churches and these were straight weddings, people seem to be doing the whole lot, the actual sermon and the reception all at the Hotels now, it's dying out for everyone anyway

It's an interesting point. Fair enough that they can make their own decisions and although I think it's wrong, they can be as exclusionary as they want, but by trying to 'protect' their institution they're actually destroying it by alienating the general public with their attitudes and showing themselves to be backwards thinking and out of touch with modern society.

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I think with some it's more about challenging the system and marrying in a church to prove a point.

For most I think it's actually just about wanting to feel included within the system, not challenge it or fight against it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

It's an interesting point. Fair enough that they can make their own decisions and although I think it's wrong, they can be as exclusionary as they want, but by trying to 'protect' their institution they're actually destroying it by alienating the general public with their attitudes and showing themselves to be backwards thinking and out of touch with modern society.



For most I think it's actually just about wanting to feel included within the system, not challenge it or fight against it.

100% and tbqh I think it's no harm they're dying out

[LeatherTrumpet]

the head of da Catholics was on LBS the other week and a lesbian lady was asking why the church does not modernise on marriage in that when the Bible was constructed attitudes to homosexuality were so different

The guy said he cant as they follow the teaching of Jesus and he was against it

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I understand that to a point and certainly don't agree with religious business owners etc discriminating against people in "the real world" but religions by their very nature discriminate in order to follow whatever their religions rules are. Like already stated Livia couldn't get married in a synagogue because her husband wasn't Jewish, my mother couldn't get remarried in the Church because she was divorced, women aren't allowed become Priests which would be blatant sexism in the "real world" etc. So imo, a church shouldn't be forced on this one issue by government because if they're forced on this one thing then they should be forced on all of them and not be allowed to discriminate against anyone over anything and then they wouldn't have any exclusive rules anymore and would not really be that religion anymore.

I do however think that if it's a big issue for gay people they are well within their rights to put pressure on their religions themselves to try and get some reformation on the issue

Yeah, I've agreed with every post in the thread so far apart from the one claiming that that homosexuals dont actually want to marry in churches and are mostly just no-gooders causing trouble and challenging the system.
I think most people have a similar stance on this subject. Government shouldn't pressure, each priest and vicar should personally decide, and voices to convince them to do so should be heard.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

the head of da Catholics was on LBS the other week and a lesbian lady was asking why the church does not modernise on marriage in that when the Bible was constructed attitudes to homosexuality were so different

The guy said he cant as they follow the teaching of Jesus and he was against it

As far as the bible is concerned, Jesus had no opinion on it. That guy needs a reread.