[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

yes heroic ones who actually tell the truth and dont sell everyone out to corporate corruption

Unlike Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck

[Withano]

Originally Posted by the truth

yes heroic ones who actually tell the truth and dont sell everyone out to corporate corruption

(Trump made most of his money on the basic foundation of corporate corruption).

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

(Trump made most of his money on the basic foundation of corporate corruption).

ssshhhhh

[Withano]

Superheroes yayyyyy

[Livia]

I don't think she'll win. I think she may come close... but then if the political results of the last couple of years have taught me anything, it's that anything is possible. Le Pen wants the French Franc back.... if she did win it could well be the end of the single currency. And then in the Autumn we've got the German election where Merkel is probably finished. Before all that though, we've got the Dutch general election on 15th March. It's going to be an interesting few months.

[LeatherTrumpet]

yes lets hope she loses and the other ones, you know the good ones, win

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes lets hope she loses and the other ones, you know the good ones, win

Makes sense to me, cant argue with this logic.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Makes sense to me, cant argue with this logic.

Can't argue with the logic that too much PC and the radical left are responsible for an increase in far-right support.

Dictatorships of any kind won't be tolerated in the West.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Can't argue with the logic that too much PC and the radical left are responsible for an increase in far-right support.

Dictatorships of any kind won't be tolerated in the West.

Why are far-right people basing their beliefs on the opposite beliefs of others? Wouldnt that make them really stupid? Do you know any of these people personally? Do they jump off cliffs because others avoid the edges, or does it only work with their political stance? Seems very odd.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Why are far-right people basing their beliefs on the opposite beliefs of others? Wouldnt that make them really stupid? Do you know any of these people personally? Do they jump off cliffs because others avoid the edges, or does it only work with their political stance? Seems very odd.

Wasn't left wing politics created from a reaction to social and political injustice!

Wasn't that basing their beliefs on the opposite beliefs of others!

Pushing too far one way tends to lead to a reaction the other way - a metophorical tug of war.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Wasn't left wing politics created from a reaction to social and political injustice!

Wasn't that basing their beliefs on the opposite beliefs of others!

Pushing too far one way tends to lead to a reaction the other way - a metophorical tug of war.

What beliefs did these far-right people have before their reactionary switch? I'm very interested in this, seems bizarre. Do you know any of these people?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

What beliefs did these far-right people have before their reactionary switch? I'm very interested in this, seems bizarre. Do you know any of these people?

A different one to those of the far left. I know many people whose views vary from left to right, but not many on either extreme I am pleased to say. Does that satisfy your inquisive mind?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

A different one to those of the far left. I know many people whose views vary from left to right, but not many on either extreme I am pleased to say. Does that satisfy your inquisive mind?

Hmm, no, not really.. i wanted to know more about the individuals who changed their political beliefs soley on the opposing beliefs of others
You claimed there was lots, so many in fact, that the left are entirely responsible for the far-right prominence, but now youre telling me you dont personally know any?
How do you know about them then? Is there an article about these people that neither of us personally know?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Hmm, no, not really.. i wanted to know more about the individuals who changed their political beliefs soley on the opposing beliefs of others
You claimed there was lots, so many in fact, that the left are entirely responsible for the far-right prominence, but now youre telling me you dont personally know any?
How do you know about them then? Is there an article about these people that neither of us personally know?

I base my comments on a mixture of my own opinions and people I know with similar views, generally centre and left to right leaning, and what I read and see and hear around me, just like most people. Those generally pretty sick of PC and its increasingly controlling views.

Have no time for those on either end of the spectrum.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Withano

What beliefs did these far-right people have before their reactionary switch? I'm very interested in this, seems bizarre. Do you know any of these people?

You are being deliberately daft because i know you understand what Brillo is saying because i know you are pretty smart from your posts and you know what she is saying is true.

There obviously was always support for far right parties but not on the scale it is now and it is growing.
People with more generally centrist and centre right persuasions are turning to people like Le Pen because the current politicians are not addressing their concerns and are handling the refugee crisis and immigration terribly.
They see no alternative.Not to mention the growing EU scepticism accross Europe.
There are places accross mainland Europe which really are 'no go zones'.Worse than anything we have here fortunately for now.
There is a fair bit of desperation involved for many citizens who are experiencing the effects every day.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I think there may be a protest vote.However that protest could be from the left.A pushback against the right and against Le Pen.

However,I still think this will be the case

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I base my comments on a mixture of my own opinions and people I know with similar views, generally centre and left to right leaning, and what I read and see and hear around me, just like most people. Those generally pretty sick of PC and its increasingly controlling views.

Have no time for those on either end of the spectrum.

yeh, i dont think i have much time for those on either end either, but just to clear things up

Originally Posted by Brillopad

too much PC and the radical left are responsible for an increase in far-right support.

You don't know any of these people personally, nor do you have any source that acknowledges their existence?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

yeh, i dont think i have much time for those on either end either, but just to clear things up



You don't know any of these people personally, nor do you have any source that acknowledges their existence?

So you don't believe that BRexit and Trump were at least in part a protest vote. I believe the votes spoke volumes as do many.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Can't argue with the logic that too much PC and the radical left are responsible for an increase in far-right support.

Dictatorships of any kind won't be tolerated in the West.

That's a silly argument.

'You believe in something that's opposed to my views so I'm going to support terrible ideas and candidates to **** everything up and it's ALL YOUR FAULT!'

No, it's the fault of stupid bigots that are mad that they can't be as bigoted as they like without judgement and other ignorant people that are foolish enough to vote without knowing the facts.

People who voted for Trump as a protest are ****ing idiots because now he's laying waste to the Healthcare reform that they depend on and he'll likely give all the power back to the Insurance companies because he's a corporate ***** through and through. But hey, he made some people feel like their racism was validated so who cares about that?

Protest votes as a whole are ****ing moronic.

[LeatherTrumpet]

^^^

classic post

insult member, insult millions

based on unfounded assumptions

unbelievable

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

So you don't believe that BRexit and Trump were at least in part a protest vote. I believe the votes spoke volumes as do many.

I dont think a protest vote is always anti-left, people vote for the loony party too. Thats probably where your argument is confused, i getchya now.

It is a bit weird you would call Trump and Brexit far right though.

[DemolitionRed]

Most of us are aware that Le Pen has promised to extend the ban on Muslim women wearing the hijab (headscarf) and on halal food in schools and other public settings.

Most aren't aware that she has equally promised to ban Jewish men from wearing the kippah (aka yamulka) and to ban kosher food from the same places.

France has the biggest Jewish population in Europe. I don't know if it is the biggest observant Jewish population, but there are certainly many observant Jews in France.

[Captain.Remy]

She is currently leading the polls here with 25%, so she will definitely be on the second round of the election.
However though, her party has done well in the recent local and regional elections by winning the first round, but losing the second due to the absence of alliances with other parties.
Her father qualified for the second round in 2002 against Chirac but lost heavily. Same thing will happen here. Either Macron or Fillon is our next President.

What you have to understand is that she is well-spoken, bold, "in your face" attitude, much better than her father was litterally the most offensive people French politics have ever had.
She knows her topics, she knows how to get attention, and due to the recent terrorist attacks and unemployment rate rising, she is chosen by so many people over here and get people to listen to her.

Even muslims and gays are voting for her, they want "France" back, but then France has always been an immigration country. We're in the middle of Europe, our health care system is the best in the world and our values are attracting. She's a b!tch that's all I can say.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy

She is currently leading the polls here with 25%, so she will definitely be on the second round of the election.
However though, her party has done well in the recent local and regional elections by winning the first round, but losing the second due to the absence of alliances with other parties.
Her father qualified for the second round in 2002 against Chirac but lost heavily. Same thing will happen here. Either Macron or Fillon is our next President.

What you have to understand is that she is well-spoken, bold, "in your face" attitude, much better than her father was litterally the most offensive people French politics have ever had.
She knows her topics, she knows how to get attention, and due to the recent terrorist attacks and unemployment rate rising, she is chosen by so many people over here and get people to listen to her.

Even muslims and gays are voting for her, they want "France" back, but then France has always been an immigration country. We're in the middle of Europe, our health care system is the best in the world and our values are attracting. She's a b!tch that's all I can say.

so who are the "good" french politicians and why have they allowed such uncontrolled immigration, unemployment and terrorism?

[DemolitionRed]

Whatever makes you think its uncontrolled immigration?

Its austerity that has caused unemployment.