[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Whatever.

It's generally good practice to only bring up articles and proof if you actually have them on hand to qualify what you are saying.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

It was a legitimate article from a credible source. Apparently there has been criticism of the type of questions asked and the backgrounds of the target group i.e. Turkish and Moroccan Muslims but I don't personally believe that would have made a Hugh difference to the outcome.
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The independent statistical analysis made by the man who wrote the publication determined that the questions was unreliable. All of his interpretations are based from an unreliable survey and he acknowledges this. The article you provided in your original post does not.

The article you used was not legitimate. There were countless issues in the researchers method. your article made zero references with any of the many flaws in the publication. It was a biased article by somebody with a similar mindset to you. This person completely skirted arounf the facts of the publication to further his mindset.

I have never heard of the website before, I can take your word for its reputation. This individual article, however, horse****. Undeniably.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

The independent statistical analysis made by the man who wrote the publication determined that the questions was unreliable. All of his interpretations are based from an unreliable survey and he acknowledges this. The article you provided in your original post does not.

The article you used was not legitimate. There were countless issues in the researchers method. your article made zero references with any of the many flaws in the publication. It was a biased article by somebody with a similar mindset to you. This person completely skirted arounf the facts of the publication to further his mindset.

I have never heard of the website before, I can take your word for its reputation. This individual article, however, horse****. Undeniably.

Yeah think you pretty much said this about twice already - what is this Groundhog Day or something or do you just like the sound of your own words.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Yeah think you pretty much said this about twice already - what is this Groundhog Day or something or do you just like the sound of your own words.

You continued to suggest it was a legitimate article. It was only natural to presume you still didnt understand what you misunderstood every other time.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I personally don't really care about nitpicking over whether it's 'cultural' or 'religious'. I'm more concerned that's it's barbaric, horrific, agonising, and life changing.

It isn't nitpicking the two are worlds apart, but if you don't care then that's your prerogative.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

...That kind of sounds like it would be about something else Kizzy

Fear of people with their heads stuck up their arses? In which case I'm afflicted

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

You continued to suggest it was a legitimate article. It was only natural to presume you still didnt understand what you misunderstood every other time.

I certainly don't misunderstand you. Toddle along now.

[Niamh.]

I saw this today and it made me think of this thread, it's from a magazine from 1889, looks like we were the Muslims of that era Look at that evil leprechaun



https://herb.ashp.cuny.edu/items/show/642

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I saw this today and it made me think of this thread, it's from a magazine from 1889, looks like we were the Muslims of that era Look at that evil leprechaun



https://herb.ashp.cuny.edu/items/show/642

I mean being totally honest, that does look like most Irish people I've met...

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I saw this today and it made me think of this thread, it's from a magazine from 1889, looks like we were the Muslims of that era Look at that evil leprechaun



https://herb.ashp.cuny.edu/items/show/642

Niamh, are you calling everyone with concerns about mass immigration 'evil leprechauns'? Tad OTT don't you think!!!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Niamh, are you calling everyone with concerns about mass immigration 'evil leprechauns'? Tad OTT don't you think!!!

umm no, I was posting this as it shows how the Irish immigrants were viewed in 1889, it reminded me of how Muslims are viewed in the States now

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

umm no, I was posting this as it shows how the Irish immigrants were viewed in 1889, it reminded me of how Muslims are viewed in the States now

Well... back the the irish weren't waging war on the west, so I think it is a little different.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Well... back the the irish weren't waging war on the west, so I think it is a little different.

Was there even a West back then?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Was there even a West back then?

Yeah, I'm thinking there was. But hey, my people have been treated like outcasts for thousands of years! It ain't so bad... come and sit here by me fellow outcast.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yeah, I'm thinking there was. But hey, my people have been treated like outcasts for thousands of years! It ain't so bad... come and sit here by me fellow outcast.

[Wizard.]

Surely phobia implies that this is a innate fear rather than a radicalisation? Evolution instill phobias in us to protect us from harmful things / situations.

[arista]

"It's just hysteria really. "


Yes Dezzy , dear.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Riley.

Surely phobia implies that this is a innate fear rather than a radicalisation? Evolution instill phobias in us to protect us from harmful things / situations.

It's a misnomer though; the term "phobia" is quite commonly misused these days. A phobia is an irrational fear when the truth is actually known, i.e. being afraid of something even though you, yourself, rationally know that it is not dangerous.

Things like homophobia / Islamophobia aren't accurately "phobias". Even though, objectively, the fear is irrational... for the subject, they are basing their fear on their true beliefs and often on misinformation that they, nonetheless, think is accurate... meaning that subjectively the fear is not irrational and therefore not a phobia.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by arista

"It's just hysteria really. "


Yes Dezzy , dear.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's a misnomer though; the term "phobia" is quite commonly misused these days. A phobia is an irrational fear when the truth is actually known, i.e. being afraid of something even though you, yourself, rationally know that it is not dangerous.

Things like homophobia / Islamophobia aren't accurately "phobias". Even though, objectively, the fear is irrational... for the subject, they are basing their fear on their true beliefs and often on misinformation that they, nonetheless, think is accurate... meaning that subjectively the fear is not irrational and therefore not a phobia.

So their 'fears' are purely based on misinformation that they think is accurate - that statement in itself is opinion not fact. As you have a different opinion you are not likely to say anything else.

I would say that your opinions could equally be based on a 'fear' of 'Islamophobia' based on misinformation that you think is accurate. It is very easy to turn such comments around as they are subjective and largely opinion based.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

So their 'fears' are purely based on misinformation that they think is accurate - that statement in itself is opinion not fact. As you have a different opinion you are not likely to say anything else.

I would say that your opinions could equally be based on a 'fear' of 'Islamophobia' based on misinformation that you think is accurate. It is very easy to turn such comments around as they are subjective and largely opinion based.

I said "often".

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It isn't nitpicking the two are worlds apart, but if you don't care then that's your prerogative.

Don' know how you can say they are worlds apart when in most cases culture and religion are intrinsically linked. Religious ideology has a significant impact on culture and one can usually be identified by the other.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Don' know how you can say they are worlds apart when in most cases culture and religion are intrinsically linked. Religious ideology has a significant impact on culture and one can usually be identified by the other.

Are you suggesting civilised society can be identified by Christianity then?

[Brillopad]

Any culture/religion maiming young girls in this way is repulsive. It is morally reprehensible and criminal. All this backward superstitious nonsense is what holds certain cultures/religions back and encourages dictatorships. The whole damn thing should be outlawed.

It's 2017 and many people still live in a time thousands of years ago. Why is it most cultures are able to progress but some can't. The fault is clearly with such cultures and the people with such mindsets. It cannot ever be tolerated here because of such ignorance.