[Tom4784]

Also Farage would be the worst ****ing person to head up negotiations. He is an abrasive twat who washed his hands of Brexit as soon as the vote went his way so that he could find himself a permanent position in Donald Trump's arsehole. Nigel Farage is only interested in Nigel Farage and he only picks his causes based on how it'll benefit him. Getting involved in Brexit now won't benefit him which is why he went to the US as soon as he could to get in with Trump.

You need someone who is agreeable and is actually capable of diplomacy, we need a deal more than the EU needs one so we can't go into negotiations with the typical Leaver attitude of 'We don't need the EU. we don't need anyone! RULE BRITANNIA! COUNTRIES SHOULD BE LINING UP TO BEG US FOR DEALS!'

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

No.

Infact even remainers said that leaving the EU meant leaving the single market.

Youtube video

Correct there was no confirmation of what would happen to the single market until very recently, it was one of the questions that couldnt be answered until a decision was made on soft/hard Brexit

[jaxie]

I like the more classy way that the government has handled this situation by saying they won't get into a tittle tattle war. It shows just how petty the EU and Juncker particularly is. Best thing we will ever do, leaving the EU.

I like the PM's tone today too. "I am a bloody difficult woman."

[Kizzy]

Yeah name calling is really classy :/

[joeysteele]

I didn't think it was possible but for a Prime Minister I have found Mrs May's attitude the last 2 days pathetic.

Her tone and her Party following the EU vote has been near always uncompromising.
Yet she is admired for it, really a very sad state of affairs in my view.

[Brother Leon]

Love how this is propaganda yet when Corbyn has several hatchet jobs all over the media it is radio silence...

Simple fact is May and the rest of the Brexit team still to this day have no genuine clue how they are going about obtaining Brexit and what the actual results will be. A bloody difficult woman in control of these negotiations would not have made a u-turn and called a sudden election.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

Love how this is propaganda yet when Corbyn has several hatchet jobs all over the media it is radio silence...

Simple fact is May and the rest of the Brexit team still to this day have no genuine clue how they are going about obtaining Brexit and what the actual results will be. A bloody difficult woman in control of these negotiations would not have made a u-turn and called a sudden election.

I would hope a bloody difficult woman is also intelligent enough to know that to do something that is in her best interests, as well as Brexit, is the best way forward even if a u-turn is required. Pride comes before a fall.

[Livia]

Let's face it, the remainers are praying for the talks to be a failure just so they can do a "told ya so". Well, Europeans still want to buiy and sell us stuff, and if the unelected block that, there'll be trouble. People aren't as stupid as some people would have us believe.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Let's face it, the remainers are praying for the talks to be a failure just so they can do a "told ya so". Well, Europeans still want to buiy and sell us stuff, and if the unelected block that, there'll be trouble. People aren't as stupid as some people would have us believe.

What a silly thing to say, that those who voted remain are rubbing their hands together in the hope that more people will be facing hardship in this country?.... get a grip.

I personally was worried about issues such as this...

People in Britain risk losing their “fundamental right to health” after Brexit, a barrister and public health professor have warned.

Tobacco and alcohol companies could win more easily in court cases such as the recent battle over plain cigarette packaging if the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights is abandoned, they wrote in the British Medical Journal (BMJ).

This means after Brexit, industry could have greater influence over laws regarding “pesticide residues in food, health and safety at work, management and disposal of hazardous substances, regulation of medicinal products, and air and water quality.”

Hopefully this will be addressed in full and resolved to protect us all when we do brexit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/he...-a7714081.html

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

What a silly thing to say, that those who voted remain are rubbing their hands together in the hope that more people will be facing hardship in this country?.... get a grip.

I personally was worried about issues such as this...

People in Britain risk losing their “fundamental right to health” after Brexit, a barrister and public health professor have warned.

Tobacco and alcohol companies could win more easily in court cases such as the recent battle over plain cigarette packaging if the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights is abandoned, they wrote in the British Medical Journal (BMJ).

This means after Brexit, industry could have greater influence over laws regarding “pesticide residues in food, health and safety at work, management and disposal of hazardous substances, regulation of medicinal products, and air and water quality.”

Hopefully this will be addressed in full and resolved to protect us all when we do brexit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/he...-a7714081.html

I was going to reply but the emboldened bits completely voided any opinion you had.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Livia

Let's face it, the remainers are praying for the talks to be a failure just so they can do a "told ya so". Well, Europeans still want to buiy and sell us stuff, and if the unelected block that, there'll be trouble. People aren't as stupid as some people would have us believe.

I love how clearly you interpret the situation and tone of discussions.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

No.

Infact even remainers said that leaving the EU meant leaving the single market.

Youtube video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xGt3QmRSZY

"Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market"
Daniel Hannan MEP

"Only a madman would actually leave the single Market"
Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer

"Wouldn’t it be terrible if we were really like Norway and Switzerland? Really? They’re rich. They’re happy. They’re self-governing"
Nigel Farage, Ukip leader

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xGt3QmRSZY

"Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market"
Daniel Hannan MEP

"Only a madman would actually leave the single Market"
Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer

"Wouldn’t it be terrible if we were really like Norway and Switzerland? Really? They’re rich. They’re happy. They’re self-governing"
Nigel Farage, Ukip leader

I'll say again. We voted to leave the EU. The single market is part of the EU. Therefore we voted to leave the single market. That doesn't mean we can't have a new deal but people have to let go of trying to cling to bits of the EU.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

I was going to reply but the emboldened bits completely voided any opinion you had.

If you can't come up with a solid counter argument then it's more dignified to simply admit that's the case. Reaching for reasons to invalidate opinions you dislike isn't good for discussion.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If you can't come up with a solid counter argument then it's more dignified to simply admit that's the case. Reaching for reasons to invalidate opinions you dislike isn't good for discussion.

I didn't see any reaching, just a valid point.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I didn't think it was possible but for a Prime Minister I have found Mrs May's attitude the last 2 days pathetic.

Her tone and her Party following the EU vote has been near always uncompromising.
Yet she is admired for it, really a very sad state of affairs in my view.

You're right, she's an uncompromising woman who surrounds herself with a hand full of agreeable glove puppets. As for being honest and dependable," she's anything but.

She's admired because she can talk the talk. Can she walk the walk though? Good speakers will always do well in parliament but being a good speaker doesn't equate to being a good PM.

We only have to look at her seven years as Home Secretary to see she did remarkably little for the Home Office. Whilst Cameron was boasting about getting tough on immigration (She's doing the same now) May was slashing the size of our Border Force, leaving fewer means to effectively police our borders. She's just like Cameron, she's all bluff.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

If you can't come up with a solid counter argument then it's more dignified to simply admit that's the case. Reaching for reasons to invalidate opinions you dislike isn't good for discussion.

Are you telling me that in your official capacity as a Moderator? Because I thought that insulting other FMs was a rule break. I don't debate with people who can't discuss without name calling because I don't waste my time on time wasters.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

Are you telling me that in your official capacity as a Moderator? Because I thought that insulting other FMs was a rule break. I don't debate with people who can't discuss without name calling because I don't waste my time on time wasters.

Except you do that all the time, Livia.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

I didn't see any reaching, just a valid point.

What point? She didn't make one.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

What point? She didn't make one.

She did.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

She did.

Originally Posted by Livia

I was going to reply but the emboldened bits completely voided any opinion you had.

She dodged the discussion.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

She dodged the discussion.

She gave a valid reason for not wanting to pursue the discussion. Experience no doubt made her feel it wasn't worth the bother. That's certainly how I often feel, no doubt others as well.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

I was going to reply but the emboldened bits completely voided any opinion you had.

It didn't void my opinion... That remains pretty much as it was. It voided your reply as well, there isn't one :/ it's basically just you informing me you are not replying.

So thanks for that.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Except you do that all the time, Livia.

I've never seen Livia call other forum users names. That's what you do.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I've never seen Livia call other forum users names. That's what you do.

'I know you are but what am I?' basically.