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06-11-2017, 09:28 AM | #26 | |||
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Dishonorable discharges are banned from owning firearms, so his guns must have been illegally obtained, so tighter gun control laws wouldn't have done much in his case anyway.
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06-11-2017, 09:34 AM | #27 | |||
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On the federal government's firearm transaction record, which buyers must legally fill out, Kelley would have had to state that he had never been convicted of a felony. Both Kelley's assault counts likely went down as felonies. Lying on the firearms transaction record is an additional felony punishable by up to five years in jail. Kelley bought a Ruger AR-556 rifle, used in the attack on the church in Sutherland Springs, in April 2016 from an Academy Sports & Outdoors store in San Antonio, a law enforcement official told CNN. http://uk.businessinsider.com/texas-...7-11?r=US&IR=T
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06-11-2017, 09:57 AM | #28 | ||
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Even for those who believe in the right to own a gun for personal protection... this is an AR-556: It's an assault rifle, pretty much the same as an AR-15, which is basically a downgraded M16... these are weapons of war used by the US military, they're not handbag pistols. It's utterly insane that you can walk into a shop and buy one. Last edited by Toy Soldier; 06-11-2017 at 10:02 AM. |
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06-11-2017, 10:03 AM | #29 | |||
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06-11-2017, 10:09 AM | #30 | ||
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Well exactly... the argument that "criminals would still get them illegally" anyway is just daft. A tiny number, maybe, it's not that there are NO guns like this "out there" in the UK, but you'd need to be pretty well connected to get hold of one. In the US there are so many of these things in the general population, there are plenty available to whoever wants one - no checks required - for a couple of extra dollaz .
There are also plenty of retailers who are simply not that arsed about who they sell to so long as the forms are filled in... and someone who is planning on using a gun for a mass shooting isn't exactly going to be worried about lying on the forms. |
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06-11-2017, 10:20 AM | #31 | |||
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This video is really excellent on gun control and why it's proven to work despite the arguments against
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06-11-2017, 11:02 AM | #32 | ||
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Another day, another shooting. America won't ever learn and people will keep getting killed. I've got sympathy for the victims and the families but I'm just completely jaded otherwise when it comes to shootings in America.
At this point, there's vats full of blood on the NRA's hands as their stranglehold on the government and their pure opposition to common sense is enabling all this death. They are just as warped and evil as the people who commit these shootings. |
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06-11-2017, 12:01 PM | #33 | ||
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really devastating, I'm getting really fed up that there is a chance everyday, that when I wake up, I get this news, something must be done quickly!
Anyways, my condolences to the families of those injured or killed, or those even waiting for good or bad news... |
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06-11-2017, 12:05 PM | #34 | |||
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the NRA will be wetting their pants at the member of public and his assault rifle firing at the shooter
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06-11-2017, 12:29 PM | #35 | |||
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Trump says Texas church shooting caused by 'mental health problem' not guns When asked whether U.S. gun control measures could have been the key to the Texas shooting, Trump replied, "Mental health is your problem here" Trump — who has received political support from the National Rifle Association — has consistently been against implementing more rigorous domestic gun control laws "Fortunately … somebody else had a gun that was shooting in the opposite direction," Trump said at the press conference Trump: ‘Mental health problem,’ not guns, caused Texas shooting Trump: Texas shooting is a 'mental health problem,' not about guns 6 Hours Ago | 01:19 President Donald Trump said Monday he believed the Texas church shooting was caused by a "mental health problem," and not because of a problem with domestic gun laws. When asked whether U.S. gun control measures could have been the key to the Texas shooting, Trump replied, "Mental health is your problem here." "This isn't a guns situation," he said, before adding, "This is a mental health problem at the highest level. It's a very, very sad event." At least 26 people were killed and about 20 others were wounded after a gunman opened fire during a Sunday service at a Texas church. The victims ranged in age from 5 to 72-years-old. Speaking at a joint press conference in Tokyo, Japan, alongside Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, Trump described the shooter as "a very deranged individual." https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/06/trum...-not-guns.html
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06-11-2017, 12:33 PM | #36 | ||
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Nothing is ever going to change, too many people in the US value their assault rifles over the mountains of dead people that these killing sprees have created.
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06-11-2017, 12:46 PM | #37 | ||
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It's an easy out of the debate for them, really. Yes, his desire to do this was caused by a mental health problem. It was enabled by his easy access to high powered assault weaponry. A violent and deranged individual anywhere could attack people, it's true, but the fact is, most of the time when it happens they don't even kill ONE person - let alone 27 people - before being stopped.
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06-11-2017, 02:43 PM | #38 | |||
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Gun crime in any country is highest in dense urban areas, which America has a lot of. America also has a higher population than a lot of other countries which are used to compare gun crime stats.
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06-11-2017, 02:49 PM | #39 | |||
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Last year a Reuters analysis of Australian Bureau of Statistics figures showed that in 1996, Australia had had 311 murders, of which 98 involved guns. In 2014, when the population had increased from about 18 million to 23 million, 238 people were murdered, 35 by guns. In other words, the likelihood of being murdered by gunshot fell by 72 per cent in that period, from 0.54 to 0.15 per 100,000 people, Reuters said. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7980671.html
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06-11-2017, 03:09 PM | #40 | |||
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06-11-2017, 03:13 PM | #41 | |||
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70% decrease after the gun control laws came in and after the population had increased.....I think the gun laws are responsible tbh
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06-11-2017, 03:14 PM | #42 | ||
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Yes, criminals will obtain whatever they want by any means necessary, does that justify the law making it ridiculously easy for them to do so. The fact is, this kind of incident IS preventable. |
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06-11-2017, 03:30 PM | #43 | |||
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DOES ANYONE NEED AN ARMY GRADE ASSAULT WEAPON I dont get it
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06-11-2017, 04:55 PM | #44 | |||
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Trump declared that this isn't a gun problem.
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06-11-2017, 05:04 PM | #45 | ||
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06-11-2017, 05:15 PM | #46 | |||
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