[user104658]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Ohhh so it's job seekers allowance and child benifit just rebranded basically?

Jobseekers allowance, Child Tax Credits, Working Tax Credits, Housing Allowance and Income Support.

Child benefits aren't under UTC.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

They'll just be replaced by more poor people.

There will always be inequality unfortunately.

There will yes but there just won't be the option to be as poor as poor people are now, it's just not viable to live and be poor now. We have working poor people with jobs using food banks.... what chance do those on UC have?

[michael21]

Any one that starts claming uc from today will not recive any money before Christmas

The damm govement done it again

[michael21]

Look like Wednesday afternoon 22/11/17 will be when we have the big news cant wait

[AnnieK]

I get working and child tax credits but have not had notification that anything will change....Should I be worried?

[michael21]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I get working and child tax credits but have not had notification that anything will change....Should I be worried?

I going to post a Link to the universal credit roll out for you in a min or 2

[michael21]

Here it is https://www.turn2us.org.uk/Benefit-g...-roll-out-2017



See where you live on it

[michael21]

It a 5 week wait now instead of 6

[joeysteele]

It's a shambles.

Wise of the govt. to roll it out selectively and slowly.
Even so,it has many initial flaws.

Better to pause it and allow for time to have all in place to deal with claims with no holdups.
However this lot have no intention of listening,so likely a great deal more as to problems will surface over time.

A good idea,thought out and planned properly 'before' implementation.
Like a lot of what this govt does,this was not at all thought out and planned fairly or correctly.

[user104658]

Going forward, at least people aren't going f to have to struggle by on nothing or be forced to borrow externally - they can get a full month's payment within 5 days of application as an "emergency loan". Which is obviously still ridiculous... You start out on UC already in debt and paying a bit back on each payment for the whole first 12 months. For people with kids on very low or no income, UC could easily be Ł1200 a month, so that's Ł100 a month being taken out right from the start.

But yeah... Still better than the stance of "You get nothing for 6 weeks and you'll just have to deal wiv it" which was insane.

However, it simply shouldn't have been rolled out until they could figure out how to implement a seamless transition. Full stop. It can't be THAT hard, surely??

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Going forward, at least people aren't going f to have to struggle by on nothing or be forced to borrow externally - they can get a full month's payment within 5 days of application as an "emergency loan". Which is obviously still ridiculous... You start out on UC already in debt and paying a bit back on each payment for the whole first 12 months. For people with kids on very low or no income, UC could easily be Ł1200 a month, so that's Ł100 a month being taken out right from the start.

But yeah... Still better than the stance of "You get nothing for 6 weeks and you'll just have to deal wiv it" which was insane.

However, it simply shouldn't have been rolled out until they could figure out how to implement a seamless transition. Full stop. It can't be THAT hard, surely??

This is what mystifies me, it should be easy to plan a seamless transition,as you say.
The moral,decent and right thing to have done, was to never start rolling it out until that was in place.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

This is what mystifies me, it should be easy to plan a seamless transition,as you say.
The moral,decent and right thing to have done, was to never start rolling it out until that was in place.

is anything seamless these days, a lot of people don't give a rats ass about their job and even less so in the public sector, they get paid either way so..

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Cherie

is anything seamless these days, a lot of people don't give a rats ass about their job and even less so in the public sector, they get paid either way so..

I think dealing with the lives and income of people,if the plan is to change how things were presently,yes any transition to said change should be straightforward.
It is the present govt.who planned the detail and roll out of this.
They should halt it,out of simple decency and respect for the people affected,until they have it absolutely right and fair.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

is anything seamless these days, a lot of people don't give a rats ass about their job and even less so in the public sector, they get paid either way so..

I beg to differ it's only in the private sector where profits come before anything that corners are cut.
People would very much like to give a rats ass about theur job and take pride in it if they were allowed to.
You would think that with the technological advances there would be a greater focus on things being seamless today not less, what a damning indictment of the UK workforce, I'm going to have to suggest you are only speaking for yourself as those that I know especially in the public sector do give a rats ass!

My feeling is that being uncaring and expecting there to be a lack of safeguarding as well as a shambolic approach is not just excused by this govt but expected, there is no backlash...no outcry. They don't give a rats ass and consequently you don't either, but please don't presume we are all as lacklustre.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I beg to differ it's only in the private sector where profits come before anything that corners are cut.
People would very much like to give a rats ass about theur job and take pride in it if they were allowed to.
You would think that with the technological advances there would be a greater focus on things being seamless today not less, what a damning indictment of the UK workforce, I'm going to have to suggest you are only speaking for yourself as those that I know especially in the public sector do give a rats ass!

My feeling is that being uncaring and expecting there to be a lack of safeguarding as well as a shambolic approach is not just excused by this govt but expected, there is no backlash...no outcry. They don't give a rats ass and consequently you don't either, but please don't presume we are all as lacklustre.

I have worked in the public sector for many years, I also worked in the private sector, if you don't do your job properly in a private company it won't take long until you no longer have a job as it is all about profit, in the public sector can take years for anyone to get around to being reprimanded, its public money no one is bothered, trust me, and incidentally the public sector were no better under a labour government either!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I have worked in the public sector for many years, I also worked in the private sector, if you don't do your job properly in a private company it won't take long until you no longer have a job as it is all about profit, in the public sector can take years for anyone to get around to being reprimanded, its public money no one is bothered, trust me, and incidentally the public sector were no better under a labour government either!

I'm sorry but that's rubbish, are you suggesting that public sector workers including our first responders spend the work day resting on their laurels?
Whether public or private there are grievance procedures,

For gods sake don't make it a left v right issue I didn't suggest things were rosy during the blair/brown years but the last 7yrs of austerity have hardened some up to the point where when it's known that policies are going to inflict hardship the response is a resounding 'meh'.

It is shocking that expecting a 3rd rate shoddy service is the norm, and even more shocking that it's taken as a forgone conclusion that people have no passion for their profession.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I have worked in the public sector for many years, I also worked in the private sector, if you don't do your job properly in a private company it won't take long until you no longer have a job as it is all about profit, in the public sector can take years for anyone to get around to being reprimanded, its public money no one is bothered, trust me, and incidentally the public sector were no better under a labour government either!

That's not true, I work with a tonne of incompetent people who have been in their job for over a decade. Cashiers, middle management, senior management... PLENTY of useless arseholes keep their jobs forever. That seems fairly common across most private companies tbh.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm sorry but that's rubbish, are you suggesting that public sector workers including our first responders spend the work day resting on their laurels?
Whether public or private there are grievance procedures,

For gods sake don't make it a left v right issue I didn't suggest things were rosy during the blair/brown years but the last 7yrs of austerity have hardened some up to the point where when it's known that policies are going to inflict hardship the response is a resounding 'meh'.

It is shocking that expecting a 3rd rate shoddy service is the norm, and even more shocking that it's taken as a forgone conclusion that people have no passion for their profession.

I am talking about office management/staff who would be those responsible for ensuring that this was rolled out correctly, as usual you move the goalposts to encompass the whole of the civil service who would have nothing whatsoever to do with it, whats new?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That's not true, I work with a tonne of incompetent people who have been in their job for over a decade. Cashiers, middle management, senior management... PLENTY of useless arseholes keep their jobs forever. That seems fairly common across most private companies tbh.

It is true in my experience, especially if you work in the private sector for a small to medium size company, your experience is yours naturally

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I am talking about office management/staff who would be those responsible for ensuring that this was rolled out correctly, as usual you move the goalposts to encompass the whole of the civil service who would have nothing whatsoever to do with it, whats new?

The 6 week wait was an official thing built into the transition, though, it wasn't down to staff operating slowly or not as intended. The .gov website about Universal Credit explicitly stated that for those transitioning, there was a 6 week wait between tax credits / housing allowance ending, and UC beginning. By design. The advice was along the lines of "So you will need to consider how you will manage this". Literally as blunt as that, a big ol' "tough **** lol".

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I am talking about office management/staff who would be those responsible for ensuring that this was rolled out correctly, as usual you move the goalposts to encompass the whole of the civil service who would have nothing whatsoever to do with it, whats new?

'is anything seamless these days, a lot of people don't give a rats ass about their job and even less so in the public sector, they get paid either way so..'

How am I to surmise that from your usual glib statement?

The govt make the decision on waiting times for rollout, as well as the timescale between sign up and payment.. How can you suggest that is an office management cock up?

Do you actually think it's some joe down the job centre deciding who get's their money, and when?...

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The 6 week wait was an official thing built into the transition, though, it wasn't down to staff operating slowly or not as intended. The .gov website about Universal Credit explicitly stated that for those transitioning, there was a 6 week wait between tax credits / housing allowance ending, and UC beginning. By design. The advice was along the lines of "So you will need to consider how you will manage this". Literally as blunt as that, a big ol' "tough **** lol".

And before it reached the website no doubt there were countless breakfast meetings with croissants and coffee deliberating about how quickly it could be done, unless they just pulled 6 weeks out of their ass

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

'is anything seamless these days, a lot of people don't give a rats ass about their job and even less so in the public sector, they get paid either way so..'

How am I to surmise that from your usual glib statement?

The govt make the decision on waiting times for rollout, as well as the timescale between sign up and payment.. How can you suggest that is an office management cock up?

Do you actually think it's some joe down the job centre deciding who get's their money, and when?...

The clue is in the thread title

The government will have taken advice on how long it would take to process app,ications from further down the line, they will have been advised unless you are suggesting they know how to do everyone's job

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The clue is in the thread title

The government will have taken advice on how long it would take to process app,ications from further down the line, they will have been advised unless you are suggesting they know how to do everyone's job

Isn't that what impact assessments do?
Are you just suggesting they said to joe down the job centre . 'so joe how long you reckon for this ol malarky then'? ' Oh... er, I dunno 6 weeksish?' ' ok, sounds about right, thanks joe!'....
No, I very much doubt that's how it is Cherie.

[michael21]

So I just goggle universal credit roll out and was shock to see that it not been pause but push back in all job centers the power of my thread

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politic...entre-11575515

This is big news but how did all news channel and me michael21 and all members miss this big news