[Mystic Mock]

I've just watched the first two seasons of the show and I've been having mixed feelings on the show overall as Season 1 had a very good first two episodes and then died off imo through episode 3-5 and then clawed it's way back a little bit in episode 6.

Then season 2 I felt was better than Season 1 as it focused more on the other characters away from just Rick, Shayne, and Lori's melodrama which killed season 1 for me.

My point anyway is season 3 better than the first two seasons? Because at this point I'm struggling with the show as Lori's awful, Rick is boring, and Darryl doesn't get enough screentime imo, and the female characters all feel like Stepford Wives where I'm at.

I want the show to be less about the Family Drama and more about the Horror, survival, and also a Human antagonist which I hear is coming up in season 3, is he any good as a Human villain?

[Smithy]

S3&4 are the best seasons then it goes to ****

[Headie]

Originally Posted by Smithy

S3&4 are the best seasons then it goes to ****

This

[Nicky91]

i like all seasons of TWD

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

S3&4 are the best seasons then it goes to ****

Season 3 is one of my least favourite seasons, it was my least favourite until Season 7, Season 8 better be good or I won't be watching much longer

[Jordan.]

If you're not enjoying it now you likely wont ever because it only get's worse.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

If you're not enjoying it now you likely wont ever because it only get's worse.

That's not necessarily true, given the criteria here... the show does start focusing on other characters and Rick gets less screen time, Daryl definitely starts to get a lot more screen time, Carol becomes MUCH more interesting and other more developed female characters start to come in and of course...

Spoiler:

OP's most hated character dies in early S3

I personally also think The Governor is a decent enough villain... definitely in the grey at least, which is better than Negan's comic-book "evil" which makes him unrealistic.

I say give S3 a chance and also S4 if you like 3. From there it's up to you; some people haven't liked it as much since, I personally still enjoy it but you do have to accept some of the flaws that come along in the late seasons. Some episodes are slightly slower paced, a lot of the tension starts to die as the characters become zombie-killing machines (although that's realistic enough IMO given that they've had years of experience) and you know that main ones will rarely die and some just won't die full stop...

[Tom4784]

Season 1 and 2 are the only must watch seasons I think. After that it descends into a state of 'We have no overall plot so we're just gonna keep people watching by killing off characters intermittently and pretending we have a plot by repeating the same plot points over and over'.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Season 1 and 2 are the only must watch seasons I think. After that it descends into a state of 'We have no overall plot so we're just gonna keep people watching by killing off characters intermittently and pretending we have a plot by repeating the same plot points over and over'.

I think a large part of the issue is the same as GoT season 5... the show has largely caught up with, or is close to catching up with, the bulk of the source material and is scared to head towards a conclusion, so it's been treading water since the start of Alexandria to an extent... drawing out what should be fairly short storylines into full season (or 2 season...) arcs. GoT picked up again massively when they decided to forge on ahead towards their ending, without relying on the books having an ending. I think TWD needs to do the same pretty soon; decide at least HOW they want it to conclude, even if not exactly when. Then they can have a cohesive plot developing towards something.

It's pretty basic writers stuff really; if you start a story without already knowing where it's going, it's never really going to go ANYWHERE. The problem when it comes to TV of course is that it's year-by-year renewals... so the networks either swallow the hit of planning an ending after X number of seasons knowing that the show will end when it still has financial life left in it (e.g. GoT, Breaking Bad)... OR the show being cancelled before reaching the planned conclusion leaving a frustrating, unfinished story.

Or you just keep running season to season treading water until the show has no life left in it and gets cancelled for that reason.

Of course for the viewers, the most satisfying complete shows are the ones that always had a rough draft of beginning-middle-end and an outline of the number of planned seasons.

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

i gave up halfway through s4 bc it was tripe

[Cal.]

It turns trash after season 3.

[Toy Soldier]

I really wish people who think it was tripe by S4 had seen things like Trashyard Lady, or the "Rick-hides-under-a-boat" death fakeout from the last season. Full on sitcom stuff .

[Locke.]

It goes up and down in quality all of the time. People can say it is terrible after Season 3/4 but then the latest seasons have some of, it not the, strongest episodes in the shows history, but unfortunately they also just suffer from having strings of dull episodes alongside them. The best villain in the show, who's also human since that's what you want, is introduced in Season 6.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I really wish people who think it was tripe by S4 had seen things like Trashyard Lady, or the "Rick-hides-under-a-boat" death fakeout from the last season. Full on sitcom stuff .

Trash people were an all time low

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Locke.

It goes up and down in quality all of the time. People can say it is terrible after Season 3/4 but then the latest seasons have some of, it not the, strongest episodes in the shows history, but unfortunately they also just suffer from having strings of dull episodes alongside them. The best villain in the show, who's also human since that's what you want, is introduced in Season 6.

Who Negan?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Trash people were an all time low

Niamh say the mean mean thing, trash lady made sad face, make water come from eye.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Niamh say the mean mean thing, trash lady made sad face, make water come from eye.

[Locke.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Who Negan?

Yeah

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Locke.

Yeah

I enjoyed Negan at th end of S6 and beginning of S7, but he became a bit of a caricature. Just not convincing as a real human being.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Locke.

Yeah

No way, worst villain yet, so unbelievable that his followers would continue following him

[Locke.]

Possibly the most iconic TV villain of all time

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Locke.

Possibly the most iconic TV villain of all time

That seems like a gross exaggeration

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

Originally Posted by Locke.

Possibly the most iconic TV villain of all time

this isn’t beverly leslie from will and grace??

[Natalie.]

Originally Posted by Sullen Girl

this isn’t beverly leslie from will and grace??

[Mystic Mock]

Okay thanks guys.

I've watched the first 6 episodes and so far I feel that it's much better as Rick seems like he is going insane. And I like the different POV's in this season, and how creepy the Prison looks. And of course The Governor is giving the show an antagonist that can actually communicate with the heroes which is a good thing imo.

The only issues that I'm having with the season is the lack of Daryl, Carol, and Glen screentime, Lori's presence in the earlier episodes of the season, and Andrea trusting The Governor so easily.

I've only watched 6 episodes right now but it's starting to feel like the show that it was always meant to be rather than a Soap Opera.