[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

50 years after you had moved there, really? I don't think anyone would after that length of time

One needs to remember the status 50 years ago, which I actually do. People were welcomed with open arms, got jobs, did great work, contributed to our economy. To then move the goalposts on what and what is not correct in terms of documentation 40+ years later is beyond the majority of peoples comprehension.

Whatever the wrongs/inadequacies of the system she could of prevented this happening by simply filling in the forms.

For something so important not to do so is unbelievably stupid and inexcusable in my book. At the end of the day she has personal accountability for her actions or lack of them.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Personal accountability. If staying in the country was inportant enough to her you would have thought she would have found the time to make sure she completed the necessary paperwork. She did have 50 years to do so.

If I were emigrating to Australia for instance I would make sure I had dotted every i and crossed every t to ensure no one could kick me out.

She didn't have 50 years. She was given a short period of time to fill out an 85 page confusing document.

She was here on the belief (a correct belief for some years) that she had a right to reside and work in the uk because she was born in a British colony. Even though she was born in Jamaica, she was born a British citizen and therefore had a right to enter, work and settle here. She probably wasn't even aware that she was no longer a British citizen!

In the 80s Jamaicans had to apply to remain in the UK but even if she had applied and been granted indefinite leave to remain, the records of these applicants were only kept for 15 years. How many West Indians are aware about this home office organisational chaos and incompetence?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Whatever the wrongs/inadequacies of the system she could of prevented this happening by simply filling in the forms.

For something so important not to do so is unbelievably stupid and inexcusable in my book. At the end of the day she has personal accountability for her actions or lack of them.

What's your motto in life Brillo? Does it go something like, "If we find others in need we should always assume that the situation is their own doing."

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

What's your motto in life Brillo? Does it go something like, "If we find others in need we should always assume that the situation is their own doing."

Why was she in need then - other than by her own inaction. She grew up here and was educated here so had no valid reason for not being able to fill in the forms.

Sounds like she simply couldn’t be bothered or was perhaps trying to prove some kind of point. If it was the latter was it really worth the risk to her future here!

What is your motto then ‘always try to excuse the inexcusable especially if it involves immigrants’.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Why was she in need then - other than by her own inaction. She grew up here and was educated here so had no valid reason for not being able to fill in the forms.

Sounds like she simply couldn’t be bothered or was perhaps trying to prove some kind of point. If it was the latter was it really worth the risk to her future here!

What is your motto then ‘always try to excuse the inexcusable especially if it involves immigrants’.

That's a judgmental assumption, nothing more.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

That's a judgmental assumption, nothing more.

No more so than yours.

[DemolitionRed]

I made no assumptions. I clearly stated that what I said were mere possibilities.

You said, "No valid reason" without knowing if she had 'no valid reason'.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I made no assumptions. I clearly stated that what I said were mere possibilities.

You said, "No valid reason" without knowing if she had 'no valid reason'.

You assumed she was in need. If she was educated here that doesn’t make much sense if all that was required was to fill in some forms.

[jaxie]

If she can't read and write but managed to get her MP involved then it doesn't sound like she is without help. It sounds like she simply didn't do her paperwork. We all have to meet the criteria and do the paperwork. I have a family member engaged to someone in another country and they miss each other terribly but unfortunately have to follow the rules and process which they are doing, like everyone else. Personally I think immigration are a bit heavy handed but we all have to follow the rules.

I bet Prince Harry isn't having the kind of problems my family member has had.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Candy Cane

The 100 day target in your link referred to EU citizens unless Jamaica has moved

and this pair don't seem to fall into what your opinion of being an undesirable is, so hence I asked the question Teresa

It's not just the EU it's non EU, 'new' commonwealth, commonwealth also

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...portation.html

http://www.voice-online.co.uk/articl...g-commonwealth

These people are old, at or approaching retirement age. past their usefulness....undesirable.

[DemolitionRed]

Thanks for the links Kizzy.
Its interesting that even UKIP are disgusted with the way Caribbean's in this country are being treated by The Home Office.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Thanks for the links Kizzy.
Its interesting that even UKIP are disgusted with the way Caribbean's in this country are being treated by The Home Office.

UKIP are essentially stuck in the 60's or thereabouts and a lot of Caribbean immigration took place in the post-war period between 1950 and 1970... so they're the "OK" sort of immigrants by UKIP standards. They still count as "British". Anything that happened after around 1980 is the bad, wrong sort of immigration.

[Kizzy]

The tories are stuck in colonial times fetching over 'workers' when needed and colonising the commonwealth with our white orphans for the last 100yrs or so. Ukip served their purpose of splitting the vote and splintering Europe that was their aim as directed by their overlords the conservatives.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

She didn't have 50 years. She was given a short period of time to fill out an 85 page confusing document.

If discussions were going on for three years, she didn't have a short time.

[Kizzy]

It would be interesting to know if this is only happening in the capital.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Christmas treeza

It would be interesting to know if this is only happening in the capital.

If what is only happening in the capital - people not bothering to fill in the paperwork to ensure their citizenship in is line with current day requirements and protect their legal standing.