[DemolitionRed]

And Theresa May wants to speak to him about this foolish move.

The Prime Minister said the ancient city should ultimately be shared between Israel and a future Palestinian state, amid growing unease over the American president's proposal to move the US embassy in Israel.

Mr Trump is expected to make an announcement on Wednesday on the plans, first proposed during his presidential election campaign.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a8094926.html


Is Trump 'declaring war' by naming Jerusalem Israel's capital?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a8094336.html

[joeysteele]

I think this is an unwise move by him.
I just can't see it helping in any way at this moment in time really.

[Crimson Dynamo]

many presidents promised this - no surprise that Donald was the one to deliver it

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14

many presidents promised this - no surprise that Donald was the one to deliver it

A couple of presidents wanted this but it was too problematic to go through with it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

A couple of presidents wanted this but it was too problematic to go through with it.

well they would not know until they tried. Nothing is easy in the middle east due to a lack of education (Israel aside) and a reliance on cults and superstition (Israel included)

[Oliver_W]

Let's be real - a "future Palestine state" isn't going to happen any time soon, unless Palestine changes everything about itself from the top down. But acknowledging this by naming it as the capitol isn't really constructive.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by The_Hogfather

Let's be real - a "future Palestine state" isn't going to happen any time soon, unless Palestine changes everything about itself from the top down. But acknowledging this by naming it as the capitol isn't really constructive.

Oh, you mean the 1.5 million Palestinians that now crammed onto a speck of land... Gaza; need to change their ways before they can return to a land where their families once lived. A land that is now called Israel?

Perhaps Turkey will drop out of NATO which I'm sure would please Trump except for maybe closing the air bases there. Hmmm. Donald Trump, master of foreign policy.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Oh, you mean the 1.5 million Palestinians that now crammed onto a speck of land... Gaza; need to change their ways before they can return to a land where their families once lived. A land that is now called Israel?

Perhaps Turkey will drop out of NATO which I'm sure would please Trump except for maybe closing the air bases there. Hmmm. Donald Trump, master of foreign policy.

I did say from the top down - they'll never get anywhere under Hamas and Hezbollah .

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by The_Hogfather

I did say from the top down - they'll never get anywhere under Hamas and Hezbollah .

I think Hamas and Hezbollah are a necessary evil in the resistance against Israel. Granted, shooting civilians is never justified but the Israelis do that too. It was the West that declared Hamas as a terrorist group but interestingly Likud were previously Jewish terrorist militias.

I'm not going to hide the fact that I'm anti- colonial Zionism, though obviously I'm not anti Jew. I believe that if all us Brits were pushed into a town the size of Brighton and the group who pushed us out colonized the rest of Britian, we would fight back too.

This has never been about people, its about land.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I think Hamas and Hezbollah are a necessary evil in the resistance against Israel. Granted, shooting civilians is never justified but the Israelis do that too. It was the West that declared Hamas as a terrorist group but interestingly Likud were previously Jewish terrorist militias.

I'm not going to hide the fact that I'm anti- colonial Zionism, though obviously I'm not anti Jew. I believe that if all us Brits were pushed into a town the size of Brighton and the group who pushed us out colonized the rest of Britian, we would fight back too.

This has never been about people, its about land.

I wonder if that could be a future prediction - unwittingly or not.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by The_Hogfather

Let's be real - a "future Palestine state" isn't going to happen any time soon, unless Palestine changes everything about itself from the top down. But acknowledging this by naming it as the capitol isn't really constructive.

Palestine needs to grow up and move on

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14

Palestine needs to grow up and move on

To where?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

To where?

The Caribbean is lovely.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Mariah_Carey

The Caribbean is lovely.

But we already colonized those islands with Africans

[smudgie]

Not Trump trying to rule the world

[Livia]

One in five of the citizens of Israel is an Arab, the vast majority (over 80%) are Muslim. They have equal voting rights and it's one of the few places in the Middle East where Arab women can vote. Just for a little balance.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Livia

One in five of the citizens of Israel is an Arab, the vast majority (over 80%) are Muslim. They have equal voting rights and it's one of the few places in the Middle East where Arab women can vote. Just for a little balance.

It wouldn't be a tragedy if the entire area just became Israel, as long as the Palestinians were allowed to stay in their current houses.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by The_Hogfather

It wouldn't be a tragedy if the entire area just became Israel, as long as the Palestinians were allowed to stay in their current houses.

There are Arabs sitting in the Knesset, it's not like they are excluded. One of Israel's Supreme Court judges is an Arab. People imagine it's all Jews.

[Tom4784]

A foolish and incendiary move from a man that should not be trusted with a pair of safety scissors

[bots]

Its not what one would call a calming gesture. Wonder why he wants to stir things up at this point, what possible motive could he have

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Its not what one would call a calming gesture. Wonder why he wants to stir things up at this point, what possible motive could he have

I believe its a promise he made to his Zionist supporters during his campaign for presidency. But it could be as simple as, Trump wants to go down in history for changing the state of Israel.

[DemolitionRed]

Many Jews in Israel are anti-Zionist who lobby and fight to protect the discrimination, alienation, racism and inequality of the Arab Israelis.

Equally, many Jews in Israel are horrified at Trumps move because it goes against everything they have been working towards.

[DemolitionRed]

Jerusalem was the capital of King David’s Israel in the Hebrew Bible, as well as the city where David’s son Solomon built his temple. In biblical times, Jewish people who could not make a pilgrimage to the city were supposed to pray in the direction of it.

According to the Quran, Jerusalem was also the last place the Prophet Muhammad visited before he ascended to the heavens and talked to God in the seventh century.

Jerusalem has always been significant to Christians because of the places there where Jesus ministered and, most importantly, where he died and rose again. This is why Helen, mother of Constantine, built churches there in the 4th century that commemorated these events in the life of Jesus and is why Christians from every denomination on earth visit Jerusalem and these very churches and sites.

So who has more rights to Jerusalem? or should it be a shared religious city?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Jerusalem was the capital of King David’s Israel in the Hebrew Bible, as well as the city where David’s son Solomon built his temple. In biblical times, Jewish people who could not make a pilgrimage to the city were supposed to pray in the direction of it.

According to the Quran, Jerusalem was also the last place the Prophet Muhammad visited before he ascended to the heavens and talked to God in the seventh century.

Jerusalem has always been significant to Christians because of the places there where Jesus ministered and, most importantly, where he died and rose again. This is why Helen, mother of Constantine, built churches there in the 4th century that commemorated these events in the life of Jesus and is why Christians from every denomination on earth visit Jerusalem and these very churches and sites.

So who has more rights to Jerusalem? or should it be a shared religious city?

So we have a former capital, which is the place several historic buildings are and that a handful of historic figures have been to; and the muslims think it's where a paedo was before he flew into the sky? There's no prizes for guessing who has the weakest claim, at least.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by The_Hogfather

So we have a former capital, which is the place several historic buildings are and that a handful of historic figures have been to; and the muslims think it's where a paedo was before he flew into the sky? There's no prizes for guessing who has the weakest claim, at least.

A handful, more like many millions of religious people of three different faiths.

The earliest accounts of Jerusalem is, it was a dynasty of Egypt and remained so for 500 years. Since that period its been captured 44 times. The first owners of what is now called Jerusalem were Pagans.

If you believe that Jerusalem isn't a big deal to Christians and Muslims and that it should become Israels capital, then you agree with violation of international law and agree with the further annexation of Israel. You become apposed to the anti-Zionist Jews and support the Zionist.