[Cherie]

How did she think that she would get the Unionists to agree to the deal she has made with the South

Now Sadiq Khan is calling for a special deal for London, you can't blame him for jumping on the bandwagon

[LeatherTrumpet]

Time to invade Ireland, lets face it they have had it coming

[Cherie]

Ireland holding all the cards

[DemolitionRed]

This proves the chaos we are in and yesterday was a significant moment in the end of a May leadership.

The next 24 hours will be interesting.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

This proves the chaos we are in and yesterday was a significant moment in the end of a May leadership.

The next 24 hours will be interesting.

Don't you think its odd though, I mean you don't have to be Einstein to know the DUP are not going to agree to anything that looks like the North is aligning more with the South than mainland Britain, its almost like they want these talks to stall ....

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Candy Cane

Ireland holding all the cards

Yes and what does that mean for Mays government?

Not many options left other than a hard Brexit? Not leaving the EU? Stay in the Single Market and Customs Union? Have another election? If the DUP don't stand behind May, I believe its going to be another election because they can't take us into a hard Brexit with such a tiny parliamentary minority.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Candy Cane

Don't you think its odd though, I mean you don't have to be Einstein to know the DUP are not going to agree to anything that looks like the North is aligning more with the South than mainland Britain, its almost like they want these talks to stall ....

I've been thinking that for a while.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I've been thinking that for a while.

Me too

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14

Time to invade Ireland, lets face it they have had it coming

Surely that would now constitute a "lone wolf" non-EU state invading the European Union? I don't think that would be a very good idea . Well, unless Trump sends over some of his guys. Hooah!

Niamh would send them packing though. Infractions all round.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Candy Cane

Don't you think its odd though, I mean you don't have to be Einstein to know the DUP are not going to agree to anything that looks like the North is aligning more with the South than mainland Britain, its almost like they want these talks to stall ....

In theory, they perhaps believe that Labour will win the next GE, and if they can stall full Brexit until after Labour get into power, then any and all economic implications of Brexit can be based on "the Labour government overspending" or "mismanagement" and then the Tories can weasel back in 5 years later claiming that their hands are clean...

It's pretty much by-the-book Tory tactics, isn't it? "If something is right it was us, if something is wrong it was the previous Labour government."

[bitontheslide]

Ireland was always going to use this as a method of pushing their united Ireland agenda. Northern Ireland is perfectly entitled to be treated exactly the same as other areas of the UK. Anyone that thinks this is anything even remotely related to Brexit is deluded. Its the same old political battle being fought.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Ireland was always going to use this as a method of pushing their united Ireland agenda. Northern Ireland is perfectly entitled to be treated exactly the same as other areas of the UK. Anyone that thinks this is anything even remotely related to Brexit is deluded. Its the same old political battle being fought.

I really think you're wrong about that tbqh. I seriously doubt our government wants a united Ireland, it would be so much hassle for them, they can barely run the country as it is now. My main concern (and I think alot of peoples including the governments) is that a hard border could start up the troubles again. Also, we do trade alot with NI since they're the only country sharing land with us so obviously trade is important in this.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

Surely that would now constitute a "lone wolf" non-EU state invading the European Union? I don't think that would be a very good idea . Well, unless Trump sends over some of his guys. Hooah!

Niamh would send them packing though. Infractions all round.

I'm off to work in a minute and I'll go to work smiling now

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

I really think you're wrong about that tbqh. I seriously doubt our government wants a united Ireland, it would be so much hassle for them, they can barely run the country as it is now. My main concern (and I think alot of peoples including the governments) is that a hard border could start up the troubles again. Also, we do trade alot with NI since they're the only country sharing land with us so obviously trade is important in this.

I would agree with that, you might get some hard liners who want a United Ireland but in the main the generations now are more concerned with economics and more importantly not to have a return to the Troubles.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Candy Cane

I would agree with that, you might get some hard liners who want a United Ireland but in the main the generations now are more concerned with economics and more importantly not to have a return to the Troubles.

Yeah absolutely agree. Trying to reunite Ireland now would be complete chaos for the government, they don't want to take that on

[Toy Soldier]

I think everyone in Ireland just needs to visit Dundee University. There are loads of Irish students there - from the North and South - living alongside each other in perfect harmony! All under the blanket term "Irish", or more commonly "Those mad Irish bastards". It should be an inspiration.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

I think everyone in Ireland just needs to visit Dundee University. There are loads of Irish students there - from the North and South - living alongside each other in perfect harmony! All under the blanket term "Irish", or more commonly "Those mad Irish bastards". It should be an inspiration.

And why don't you think we get on with N.Irish people here?

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

And why don't you think we get on with N.Irish people here?

Because the Tayto guy's jacket is a different colour.

As I understand it, that was the main cause of The Troubles.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Santa

In theory, they perhaps believe that Labour will win the next GE, and if they can stall full Brexit until after Labour get into power, then any and all economic implications of Brexit can be based on "the Labour government overspending" or "mismanagement" and then the Tories can weasel back in 5 years later claiming that their hands are clean...

It's pretty much by-the-book Tory tactics, isn't it? "If something is right it was us, if something is wrong it was the previous Labour government."

From the disastrous campaign where May attacked her core voters, to the shambles we have at the moment, I think the Tory's are looking for a way out as well

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Isaiah 7:14

Time to invade Ireland, lets face it they have had it coming

Why invade a country we already own?

[jaxie]

I have a good friend from NI who is very passionate about their identity as NI and not being Irish. I can't see a United Ireland any time soon.

Perhaps it's simply time for us to pick up our money bags and leave the EU. Pretty sure we can figure out the border as neighbours by leaving it alone as much as possible.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

I really think you're wrong about that tbqh. I seriously doubt our government wants a united Ireland, it would be so much hassle for them, they can barely run the country as it is now. My main concern (and I think alot of peoples including the governments) is that a hard border could start up the troubles again. Also, we do trade alot with NI since they're the only country sharing land with us so obviously trade is important in this.

I agree with all that 100%.

As to Mrs May not considering the DUP.
The real question is who does this incompetent arrogant woman ever really consider anyway.

Although it irks me massively the DUP have any main influence at all, it's a mystery to me why these political dinosaurs get the support they do in Northern Ireland.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I agree with all that 100%.

As to Mrs May not considering the DUP.
The real question is who does this incompetent arrogant woman ever really consider anyway.

Although it irks me massively the DUP have any main influence at all, it's a mystery to me why these political dinosaurs get the support they do in Northern Ireland.

Absolutely, they're only going to be concerned with one side in NI.

I do agree though that it seems highly unlikely and somewhat suspicious that it wouldn't have occurred to Teresa May or any of her advisers that the DUP would throw a spanner in the works of any deal she made with the Irish government

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Candy Cane

How did she think that she would get the Unionists to agree to the deal she has made with the South

Now Sadiq Khan is calling for a special deal for London, you can't blame him for jumping on the bandwagon

I would also question why the DUP didn't consider the deal over the border which is in contradiction with many peoples' immigration concerns and votes for Brexit. Simply a gateway from Ireland to England.

[jet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I agree with all that 100%.

As to Mrs May not considering the DUP.
The real question is who does this incompetent arrogant woman ever really consider anyway.

Although it irks me massively the DUP have any main influence at all, it's a mystery to me why these political dinosaurs get the support they do in Northern Ireland.

Is it really a mystery to you? What choice to many have? It's either the staunch religious DUP or Sinn Fein, the political party of the IRA.
The likes of the moderate SDLP, OU's or Alliance don't even get a look in any more. A vote for any of them is a lost vote now. It's a fight between 2 obnoxious parties, and it's all we have at present.
If Sinn Fein got a larger majority than the DUP, then a United Ireland beckons ever closer in the minds of those who oppose it, and Sinn Fein, the party who supported those who killed thousands of innocents would have a majority and their leader would become First Minister. So to stop that happening, the only option for the Loyalists is to vote DUP, like them or not.
To many it is preferable to vote for a dinosuar party to one that is the official party of those who tried to bomb, kill and maim their way to a United Ireland that the majority didn't want - and the South themselves didn't want.
The mess continues....