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https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ates-to-revolt
Another very interesting article making some very effective points. People need to think very carefully before being so quick to vote in much worse than we already have. |
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"Once again, the image of wolves and lambs flashed up. Surely they will revolt?"
No Nick Cohen the Next General Election is YEARS away 5-May -2022 So at this time Labour is with Brexit as it stands today Ref : Marr BBC1HD with Ian Dale and the Brexit Lady agreeing |
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Written by none other than the neoliberal Nick Cohen. Nick Cohen, the author of ‘Whats Left’ a book that demonizes liberal thinkers and man who has been arguing against Left wing rising opponents since the fall of Blair. Those on the Left don’t pay a lot of attention to a man who’s pro war and calls those who aren’t shameless or stupid.
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What I do know is his words make sense and, like many, I would not want the hard-left ruling this country - it would be a catastrophe and not just for Tory voters. It would be a classic example of the many new Young first-time voting lefties having to learn their lesson the hard way, but unfortunately many others would suffer too. If you think a hard left government will solve this country’s problems rather than add to them you are, in my opinion, either idealistic to the point of gross naivity, and I have to admit you don’t come across as naive, or hard left yourself. |
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Yes many may vote that but by 5 may 2022 (long way off) The official General Election Date Its expected that The current PM will be changed. Of Course the Date of 2022 could Change if the DUP brought down the Government but they are scared of doing that. |
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I doubt the new leader would be any better. its basically the Tories entire lifestory to blame the world ills on the poor and punish them for it. Unless the leader is not actually Tory (which would lose a bunch of Tory voters) then the Tories are not going to get any better in that respect. Yes the leader will probably be much stronger, but the ideology is still there. If they started to give a crap about the poor/ill then I may consider voting for them. But as it stands, I would never. Would rather vote for lord Buckethead.
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Trouble is it takes time to get the numbers UP but it could be a younger MP Long way off. |
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A more center ground Labour party is what we need.Corbyn,McDonell and Momentum need to feck off. |
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Whether people like it or not, being warm, caring and fluffy doesn't run a country or its economy. The conservatives are a much safer set of hands when it comes to that, and when thats done correctly, everyones lives improve. A corbyn led government would be an unmitigated disaster,
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Personally my issue with the moderates in the Labour party are they to me appear to be the ones appeasing business for a slice of whichever sector pie is on offer and bugger society. Corbyn is attractive to be for effectively saying sod your pie, I don't want it... I'm going to fit on the floor of this train and eat a nice apple with the public! That's why he gets my vote.
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Even if you are right about him and he is more genuine than I give him credit for, which I have severe reservations about, he is surrounding himself with some very dubious characters who will likely be making a lot of the important decisions which for many is a very scary prospect. |
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We are not drones, ok we have to work and work hard but is it too much to ask to have a half decent standard of life while working? Is a neoliberal hand to mouth existence unprotected from exorbitant utilities, rent, travel and fuel costs about the best we could wish for ourselves? Maybe for you and yours but not me and mine! What's fluffy about regulations? renationalisation? other countries run our networks so they're very profitable, the fluffy tory don't bring just buy sales that claimed then then cream profits via companies they have interests in who mop up shares after these massacres as they hack away at our infrastructure... and you think they make us safer?.... wake up ffs!
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Socialism is a nice dream where everyone gets a slice of the pie no matter how hard they work for it but unfortunately never works. I think somewhere in the middle is the best option. The tricky part seems to be finding the right balance so we all get enough pie that we don’t starve but those who earn more pie get their fair share and for that we need to make more pies.Socialist countries usually end up with hardly any pie left as the chefs aren’t motivated enough to bother making them. |
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Who else will be our trading partners? Will they have dubious human rights records, how will we make our money more babykilla bombs for SA? So he may be playing a card, I'll take that risk because may isn't, she is very openly expressing her support for a 'meritocracy' which means that your chances of survival are limited by your own capability to in the 'laisez faire ' sense... you are as is the founding ideology of conservatism 'cut adrift'.. I would go further and suggest that recent policy has rendered many vulnerable groups almost entirely unsupported and the support they do have is from the third sector (volunteers) or in other words 'society'. Why have they done this? I was reading recently about another organisation, I won't say which where a similar thing happened the rights and provision for these groups were removed and they were considered nothing but 'useless eaters' (clue). This is where we are at now, it's scary just how deep in the rabbit hole we are and yet the establishment is not considered corrupt but our guiding light overlords steering Britain to safety away from the evil EU.... When in actuality they've smashed the UK to pieces poisoned minds against our European nations with whom we share cultural and democratic ties for what?.... the WTO?.. With the BRIC countries who think human rights are a Eurovision song contest entry?! Pfffft!!!
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Our infrastructure as in industry, transport, utilities and buildings They are predominantly in the hands of foreign investors now, we don't own anything Britain was sold off... We do still have business and lots of fingers in lots of pies, we have services and innovation but these are fickle and can relocate... as we've seen the financial sector beginning to wander off due to brexit.
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Labour can never be worse than the Tories when it comes to the Working and Middle classes, no matter what state they are in.
Tories got the working class to vote for them by appealing to their prejudices. You can get away with anything with voters as long as you keep mentioning immigration and these last few Tory governments are proof of that. The Tories have mastered the art of getting the working and middle classes to vote against their own interests. |
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I guess he means the profit margin would be lower then but there would still be one... Have you seen the profits for private rail companies? ooooff!!!
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Your right, Corbyn would be an unmitigated disaster for the Tory party and their New Labour followers.
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I was chatting to an accountant yesterday and he was telling me that the head university don in Bolton is earning £600,000 a year and that same job seven years ago was worth £60,000 a year.
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