[Kizzy]

Conservative members are “a breed apart” from members of the other main political parties, with much stronger tendencies towards socially illiberal and authoritarian attitudes and completely different views on Brexit, a study has found.

The biggest ever polling of party members’ opinions shows that Tories are half as likely to support gay marriage as members of Labour, the Lib Dems or the SNP and significantly more supportive of the death penalty, obedience to authority and censorship of the media “to uphold moral standards”.

The findings by academics at Queen Mary University of London could spell trouble for the chances of a more socially liberal candidate such as Ruth Davidson succeeding Theresa May as Tory leader, given that the final choice is made in a vote of party members.

The study also shows that almost five years after David Cameron sought to move the party towards a more socially inclusive position by pushing through the gay marriage law, Tory members – 44% of whom are 65 or older – remain resistant.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...es-study-finds

[bots]

and if a study was done on the labour party and its members it would also represent a demographic with a high percentage of views in favour of some aspect or another.

So what?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

and if a study was done on the labour party and its members it would also represent a demographic with a high percentage of views in favour of some aspect or another.

So what?

Thanks for your input professor BOTS

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

and if a study was done on the labour party and its members it would also represent a demographic with a high percentage of views in favour of some aspect or another.

So what?

Labour was obviously part of the study, otherwise they wouldn't be able to compare the differing opinions.

[Crimson Dynamo]

and as the ruling party in the UK(England) it shows they are bang on with what they represent in England. It illustrates what England is and wants

no sh1t sherlock

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and as the ruling party in the UK(England) it shows they are bang on with what they represent in England. It illustrates what England is and wants

Most of England (especially the South), yes. Though it is sort of worrying that they keep being voted in.

Though I can't help but feel like the news here is, "Study Finds That Conservatives Are Conservative!"...

Its like another article I read today about Boris using terms like "Hot Totty" and "Bumboys" in his articles like this is news. "WHAT?? Boris Johnson is a soggy biscuit Tory toff?? This is brand new information!"

[thesheriff443]

Labour will get a chance like they have in the past to screw up this country but for now it's the conservatives turn to screw up the country.

[DemolitionRed]

This was an interesting article by Nigel Barber Ph.D.

Peering inside the brain with MRI scans, researchers at University College London found that self-described conservative students had a larger amygdala than liberals. The amygdala is an almond-shaped structure deep in the brain that is active during states of fear and anxiety. Liberals had more gray matter at least in the anterior cingulate cortex, a region of the brain that helps people cope with complexity. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...in-study-finds

[user104658]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

This was an interesting article by Nigel Barber Ph.D.

Peering inside the brain with MRI scans, researchers at University College London found that self-described conservative students had a larger amygdala than liberals. The amygdala is an almond-shaped structure deep in the brain that is active during states of fear and anxiety. Liberals had more gray matter at least in the anterior cingulate cortex, a region of the brain that helps people cope with complexity. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...in-study-finds

To be fair it's more basic than that and the language used here (fear and anxiety vs complexity) is a little pointed.

The amygdala is responsible for instant / instinctual emotional response (fear, yes, but the other instant surface reactions too both positive and negative) and also instant motivation (action without consideration).

The ACC plays a role in higher cognitive function and emotional consideration (logic, reason, consideration and in theory empathy, as empathy is an abstract emotional response rather than one driven by instinct.)

So it's more a logic vs instinct thing here. It's not always about "fear", that's a huge oversimplification of the function of the amygdala.

[Livia]

Ahhh polls and statistics. In the Guardian!

And in other shock news, a "study" had decided that 98% of people is nearly all of them!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be fair it's more basic than that and the language used here (fear and anxiety vs complexity) is a little pointed.

The amygdala is responsible for instant / instinctual emotional response (fear, yes, but the other instant surface reactions too both positive and negative) and also instant motivation (action without consideration).

The ACC plays a role in higher cognitive function and emotional consideration (logic, reason, consideration and in theory empathy, as empathy is an abstract emotional response rather than one driven by instinct.)

So it's more a logic vs instinct thing here. It's not always about "fear", that's a huge oversimplification of the function of the amygdala.

So the explanation as taken from the academic in the article wasn't good enough?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Ahhh polls and statistics. In the Guardian!

And in other shock news, a "study" had decided that 98% of people is nearly all of them!

No more of a shock than you mocking rather than having a rational reasoned comment to make.

[smudgie]

Very interesting.
One assumes then that the brain alters as you age, hence people changing their political views over the years.

[Beso]

Thier views will be down to a good church upbringing.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and as the ruling party in the UK(England) it shows they are bang on with what they represent in England. It illustrates what England is and wants

no sh1t sherlock

If most of the UK knew half of the **** that the Tories do they wouldn't be elected into office right now.

The Media is the Tories biggest ally and they twist things into a morality argument for their favourite party when really all the Tories want to do is persecute anyone that the party has to pay money out to (people on benefits, disabled people, and the working class in general) yet the media will try to twist it that it's the EU's fault for why the Tories are either incompetent or just simply horrible to people, and if it's not them then it is Muslims, people on benefits, or liberals being too PC stopping them from being able to do what they really want to do.

[Brillopad]

More Guardian trash that certain posters latch onto with desperation.

When the kids grow up and see the world from a different perspective many will regret the part they played in the ruin of this great country.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

If most of the UK knew half of the **** that the Tories do they wouldn't be elected into office right now.

The Media is the Tories biggest ally and they twist things into a morality argument for their favourite party when really all the Tories want to do is persecute anyone that the party has to pay money out to (people on benefits, disabled people, and the working class in general) yet the media will try to twist it that it's the EU's fault for why the Tories are either incompetent or just simply horrible to people, and if it's not them then it is Muslims, people on benefits, or liberals being too PC stopping them from being able to do what they really want to do.

I thought blair had a tighter grip on the media.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by parmnion

I thought blair had a tighter grip on the media.

You mean the man who stole the clothes off John Major and the man who kept vast swathes of Margaret Thatcher’s neoliberal ideologies and stole the full backing of The Sun?

He didn’t undo Thatcher’s employment reforms or stop the deregulation of the financial sector which inevitably permitted banks to move towards sub-prime mortgages. Everything Thatcher had privatized remained privatized.
House prices carried on growing towards unaffordable levels whilst council house buildings remained remained at an all time low. Blair didn't curb the power of the free market beyond that of the state, He encouraged it just like the Tories before him.

Tony Blair was more right wing than John Major before him and that's why Right wing papers abandoned the Conservatives and allowed Blair a tight grip on the media.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

You mean the man who stole the clothes off John Major and the man who kept vast swathes of Margaret Thatcher’s neoliberal ideologies and stole the full backing of The Sun?

He didn’t undo Thatcher’s employment reforms or stop the deregulation of the financial sector which inevitably permitted banks to move towards sub-prime mortgages. Everything Thatcher had privatized remained privatized.
House prices carried on growing towards unaffordable levels whilst council house buildings remained remained at an all time low. Blair didn't curb the power of the free market beyond that of the state, He encouraged it just like the Tories before him.

Tony Blair was more right wing than John Major before him and that's why Right wing papers abandoned the Conservatives and allowed Blair a tight grip on the media.

So right wing he is desperate to overturn the referendum result and get a second vote. Like many remainers he wants his own way - left or right.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

So right wing he is desperate to overturn the referendum result and get a second vote. Like many remainers he wants his own way - left or right.

Are you suggesting that only people who are "left wing" want to stay in the EU?... Do you actually know what any of these terms mean, or are under the impression that they're some sort of "team names"? "Team Right likes Brexit! Team Left is remoaners and such!"

A lot of right-wing heavy hitters stand to lose a lot from exiting the EU. Cameron was pro EU. George Osbourne was pro EU. Theresa May was pro EU.

Are they all "lefties", too?


Sigh. Tony Blair was / is a bona-fide right-of-center neoliberal. It's not a debate he just.. is. Those are his politics. You can't go stamping your feet and insisting he's actually "not right wing" because you don't like him / Labour and have decided in your head that "Right Wing = The Good Guys so he can't be right wing".

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The biggest ever polling of party members’ opinions shows that Tories are half as likely to support gay marriage as members of Labour, the Lib Dems or the SNP and significantly more supportive of the death penalty, obedience to authority and censorship of the media “to uphold moral standards”.

How unexpected. Tories prove to be idiots.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Are you suggesting that only people who are "left wing" want to stay in the EU?... Do you actually know what any of these terms mean, or are under the impression that they're some sort of "team names"? "Team Right likes Brexit! Team Left is remoaners and such!"

A lot of right-wing heavy hitters stand to lose a lot from exiting the EU. Cameron was pro EU. George Osbourne was pro EU. Theresa May was pro EU.

Are they all "lefties", too?


Sigh. Tony Blair was / is a bona-fide right-of-center neoliberal. It's not a debate he just.. is. Those are his politics. You can't go stamping your feet and insisting he's actually "not right wing" because you don't like him / Labour and have decided in your head that "Right Wing = The Good Guys so he can't be right wing".

No - but the majority of leavers are probably more Tory than Labour, especially with Corbyn quick to change his supposedly long-held anti-EU views to suit especially when the title of PM is the potential reward. Besides if you listen to many of the hardline lefties on here the Brexiteers are ALL freedom hating Tories.

[DemolitionRed]

I voted out of the EU. My husband and parents voted out of the EU and we are all left leaning.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Conservative members are “a breed apart” from members of the other main political parties, with much stronger tendencies towards socially illiberal and authoritarian attitudes and completely different views on Brexit, a study has found.

The biggest ever polling of party members’ opinions shows that Tories are half as likely to support gay marriage as members of Labour, the Lib Dems or the SNP and significantly more supportive of the death penalty, obedience to authority and censorship of the media “to uphold moral standards”.

The findings by academics at Queen Mary University of London could spell trouble for the chances of a more socially liberal candidate such as Ruth Davidson succeeding Theresa May as Tory leader, given that the final choice is made in a vote of party members.

The study also shows that almost five years after David Cameron sought to move the party towards a more socially inclusive position by pushing through the gay marriage law, Tory members – 44% of whom are 65 or older – remain resistant.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...es-study-finds

44% 65 or older which means 56% are not. And. What do you expect the over 65s to do roll over and die. Talk about AGEIST. I believe you are only about 20 years away from that yourself - what do you propose to do at that age put up and shut up. Disgusting attitude.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

This was an interesting article by Nigel Barber Ph.D.

Peering inside the brain with MRI scans, researchers at University College London found that self-described conservative students had a larger amygdala than liberals. The amygdala is an almond-shaped structure deep in the brain that is active during states of fear and anxiety. Liberals had more gray matter at least in the anterior cingulate cortex, a region of the brain that helps people cope with complexity. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog...in-study-finds

So the liberals have more grey cells and therefore higher IQs - of course they do. Don’t psychologists tend to lean to the left so no bias there then. Too many variants and people with opinions reading what they will into the ‘results’.