[jaxie]

So very sad and in my view a symptom of the gun owning politics of the USA. It just keeps happening.

[Alf]

The Third Reich enforced gun controls against the German people, particularly Jews, which made holocaust victims weaker to resist oppression.

It's security against tyranny. We have our Monarch that gives us security against tyranny.

[LeatherTrumpet]

I dont think we have a local White Supremacist group?

I expect Id have to go to Edinburgh if the need came up

[LeatherTrumpet]

8th Feb 2018:



Yesterday, a Senate Judiciary Subcommittee passed Senate Study Bill 3155 to propose an amendment to the state Constitution guaranteeing “the right of the people to acquire, keep, possess, transport, carry, transfer, and use arms” and Senate File 2106 to enact permitless carry in Iowa. Both bills will now go to the Senate Judiciary Committee, which could take them up for consideration as early as next week.

Senate Study Bill 3155, authored by Senator Brad Zaun (R-20), is the companion bill to House Joint Resolution 13. They will need to pass this year and next before a constitutional amendment is put on the ballot for Iowa voters to decide in 2020. Currently, Iowa is one of six states that do not have a right to keep and bear arms amendment in its state constitution, including California, Maryland, Minnesota, New Jersey, and New York.

Senate File 2106, authored by Senator Rick Bertrand (R-7), would allow law-abiding adults to legally carry a firearm without first needing to obtain a Permit to Carry Weapons (PCW). Self-defense situations are difficult, if not impossible, to anticipate. Accordingly, a law-abiding adult’s right to defend themselves in such situations should not be conditioned by government-mandated time delays and taxes. The PCW will still be available for those who wish to take advantage of reciprocity agreements when traveling to other states.

Stay tuned to www.nraila.org and your email inbox for further updates as these bills and others affecting your Second Amendment rights in Iowa.

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[Cherie]

Looks like the signs were there but people distanced themselves rather than getting him help, his fascination with guns should have been a red flag to someone somewhere

[LeatherTrumpet]

Donald J. Trump



So many signs that the Florida shooter was mentally disturbed, even expelled from school for bad and erratic behavior. Neighbors and classmates knew he was a big problem. Must always report such instances to authorities, again and again!

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Looks like the signs were there but people distanced themselves rather than getting him help, his fascination with guns should have been a red flag to someone somewhere

He was getting help to some degree, but apparently it didn't work as he quit going. Also I read somewhere he was reported to authorities at least once... maybe the article I shared mentioned it, but I thought I read maybe a few times more than that... teachers were certainly aware because they wrote an ominous email saying "to keep an eye" on him.

Usually killing animals for pleasure and self-gratification is a precursor to killing human beings. He put it all out there, so the picture was pretty complete in terms what he was capable of. Just nobody really acted on it. It seemed like a cry for help. (edit)

Our culture is in a mental health crisis. This may sound strange, but I think guns are going to be the least of our issues if they don't do something about our kids. Faux Twitter sympathy and social media doesn't replace real human contact... how can you help and really reach out to another person from behind a cellphone?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by jaxie

So very sad and in my view a symptom of the gun owning politics of the USA. It just keeps happening.

And Trump doesn't give a damn, he was spouting BS about mental health. It's interesting how when an American teenager massacres students & teachers it's "mental illness" that's the only issue to him instead of the elephant in the room regarding easy access to guns .

When it's middle eastern terrorists then Trump wants them deported.

Things will never change, they don't care about these victims atall otherwise they'd of taken action already.

[LeatherTrumpet]

he was torturing animals, sounds like a typical psychopath

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

And Trump doesn't give a damn, he was spouting BS about mental health. It's interesting how when an American teenager massacres students & teachers it's "mental illness" that's the only issue to him instead of the elephant in the room regarding easy access to guns .

When it's middle eastern terrorists then Trump wants them deported.

Things will never change, they don't care about these victims atall otherwise they'd of taken action already.

stop talking rot. Donald is a father, you are not, to say he does not care is beyond stupid, in fact its insulting

get a grip

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Maru

He was getting help to some degree, but apparently it didn't work as he quit going. Also I read somewhere he was reported to authorities at least once... maybe the article I shared mentioned it, but I thought I read maybe a few times more than that... teachers were certainly aware because they wrote an ominous email saying "to keep an eye" on him.

Usually killing animals for pleasure and self-gratification is a precursor to killing human beings. He put it all out there, so the picture was pretty complete in terms what he was capable of. Just nobody really acted on it.

Our culture is in a mental health crisis. This may sound strange, but I think guns are going to be the least of our issues if they don't do something about our kids. Faux Twitter sympathy and social media doesn't replace real human contact... how can you help and really reach out to another person from behind a cellphone?

As you'd say it in the States, parents and teachers need to give problem children a whooping.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

stop talking rot. Donald is a father, you are not, to say he does not care is beyond stupid, in fact its insulting

get a grip

Does he care enough to try and stop this from happening again though?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Withano

Does he care enough to try and stop this from happening again though?

Now you want him to be God!

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Alf

Now you want him to be God!

He is the president of the united states, Alf. He has the power required already.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Withano

He is the president of the united states, Alf. He has the power required already.

Congress can override very easily. That's what they did to Obama's executive orders.

[Maru]

I actually don't like executive orders. They're power-trippy. I prefer they pass legislation through and it's in the budget, etc.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Maru

Congress can override very easily. That's what they did to Obama's executive orders.

Well I did say 'to try'

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Withano

Well I did say 'to try'

We need federal regulations at this point. The issue is public's trust of Congress is around the 30s and that's probably only counting people who regularly vote, are engaged in politics.

If the idea behind 2A is to prevent govt corruption, then why would the public trust the govt to handle gun control correctly? Trust needs to be restored before we naturally find a common ground, otherwise the rules go in and they get stripped out every 4-8 years.

Much of the violence that does occur are in areas with high gun control regulations have high gun violence and pretty much all cities are blue. So their record on gun control is actually not that great either. i.e. it needs to be federal to be "complete"...

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Withano

Does he care enough to try and stop this from happening again though?

Exactly !!! And he DOESN'T. Screw the fact he's a father . He hasn't even acknowledged that guns are the problem!!! .

The teenager was a white supremacist so he's only "mentally ill " to Trump . This will keep happening and nothing will be done about it .

Some Americans think the answer is more guns in schools , the stupidity is beyond words !.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

And Trump doesn't give a damn, he was spouting BS about mental health. It's interesting how when an American teenager massacres students & teachers it's "mental illness" that's the only issue to him instead of the elephant in the room regarding easy access to guns .

When it's middle eastern terrorists then Trump wants them deported.

Things will never change, they don't care about these victims atall otherwise they'd of taken action already.

Trump always spouts mental health. Get a clue Trump, if you have so many crazies who want to go shoot your countries kids, stop making it easy for them to get guns!

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Maru

We need federal regulations at this point. The issue is public's trust of Congress is around the 30s and that's probably only counting people who regularly vote, are engaged in politics.

If the idea behind 2A is to prevent govt corruption, then why would the public trust the govt to handle gun control correctly? Trust needs to be restored before we naturally find a common ground, otherwise the rules go in and they get stripped out every 4-8 years.

Much of the violence that does occur are in areas with high gun control regulations have high gun violence and pretty much all cities are blue. So their record on gun control is actually not that great either. i.e. it needs to be federal to be "complete"...

I quite often dislike the government and there has certainly been some corruption. I don't want to go and shoot any of them though.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Trump always spouts mental health. Get a clue Trump, if you have so many crazies who want to go shoot your countries kids, stop making it easy for them to get guns!

I can't stand him !! .

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Withano

Does he care enough to try and stop this from happening again though?

he is a figurehead not a dictator

what did obama do

jack sh1te

[Maru]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I quite often dislike the government and there has certainly been some corruption. I don't want to go and shoot any of them though.

Nobody is walking up to the govt and shooting anyone? That's only part of the prevention. It's for extreme cases, like if the govt were to be tyrannical, we could defend ourselves if they invaded our homes, but that's only a small part of it.

Having the means to arm ourselves also means we have the ability to police our own communities and are not completely dependent on the govt for our means of self-preservation. The government is large and inefficient. In my area there's a major peace officer shortage, and part of the reason they have gotten away with it for so long is because of 2A.

What the Democrats often advocate for is bigger govt, which leads to more spending, heavier policing and those are the issues advocates have with their method of gun control. They want laws, but then they also want to create new agencies and infrastructure, levy new taxes, add a lot of red tape and make it very difficult. They're heavy handed in the cities they run and that's part of why crime rates are skyrocket.

The other philosophy (Libertarian) is that govt sucks at virtually everything so therefore it would be better that the public have the ability to manage of their own interests with as little of the govt involved as reasonably necessary. Adding more just leads to more corruption, more interests, and more gridlock... part of the reason Congress and our govt is in the shape it is in is because it was never meant to be this large, require 200 page bills and pass sweeping regulations. It was meant to be smaller and not run the way it is now.

Here's an example though of interference. In places where you see police agencies being militarized in the media (largely north US/NE), with heavy armor, SWAT, AR-15's, etc, these are also the same areas where people's right to own or carry are limited and/or discourage. Therefore, in an attempt to solve the rising crime rates, have some of the highest income disparities, they invest more in policing... which that doesn't apparently work, so they give police more leeway to be aggressive... which leads to over-policing in places like Baltimore.

Maryland has strict gun laws and yet Baltimore has some of the highest homicide rates in the country and they are now talking about dismantling their police agency and starting over. When many citizens will tell you if they could just simply defend themselves against armed criminals they wouldn't need to call the police.

The US is a different culture, with it's an own philosophy. It's not as simple as disarm the public and peace will prevail. It will have to be a broader solution, on a federal (national scale)... but understand, there are a lot of arguments to solve to get there and it's not as simple as "pass more regulation"... the Democrats have done that and it does not always help. Also, they want to above and beyond that, and those of us who have lived in areas where self-policing is a way of life do not want to end up like Chicago or Baltimore. I lived outside Baltimore for 8 years.

[BBUK-Fan]

This is truly awful. They need to get rid of guns.