[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Ok she was a tenant sitting in your property refusing to pay rent. You didn't say she trashed the place to the value of £5,000 (which you called arrears) and you did say you had to have her evicted and we all know how long that can take.

^ I am totally perplexed by this Red: I NEVER said that she "trashed the place to the value of £5,000" and I called it arrears because it IS arrears - she owes UNPAID rent amounting to £5,000.

No but you did say she received Working Tax Credits and Benefits and at the end of your post you made it clear that you would not accept anyone else who was on benefits which probably confused things as her benefits claims was just something that annoyed you but had no reflection on her not paying her dues.

^ I NEVER said that I was 'annoyed' because she claimed benefits - I am annoyed because she claimed Tax-Payers money to pay her rent with but DID NOT PAY ANY RENT.

Sounds like she was just a greedy high living hussy. People don't have to be on benefits to fit that sort of personality.

^ Again, I NEVER STATED or IMPLIED that people HAD to be on benefits to be ignorant non-rent paying skankers, it's just that this ignorant non-rent paying skanker IS on benefits.

When you type in capitals it doesn't come across any louder but as this was an obvious attempt to tell me off, I'll just say that I don't have a clue what you're saying here

???? I was and am saying that IF YOU ARE GOING TO QUOTE MY POST OR PARAPHRASE FROM IT, PLEASE DO NOT CHANGE, ADD OR SUBTRACT FROM WHAT I HAVE ACTUALLY SAID TO MISREPRESENT WHAT I HAVE SAID TO SUIT YOUR PURPOSE (incidentally, I have seen posts HEADLINED in LARGE COLOURED TYPE which you REPRODUCED by quoting with no apparent problems. Yet, these posts were almost identical in style to posts of mine which you OBJECTED to.

and perhaps its because you claimed you would never take anyone on benefits again. The thing is, benefits was never the problem, the tenants attitude towards money was the problem.

^ I NEVER claimed that 'benefits were the problem' and it was NOT 'the tenant's attitude to money which was the problem' it was the tenant's attitude to 'playing fair' that is the problem.

She is just one of those selfish, arrogant, ignorant, moralless low-lifes who think that she is above complying with the same Rules of Society and the same Laws of the Land which the rest of us have to comply with. I

I also don't see what any of this has to do with Corbyn?

^ If you do not grasp that EVEN after two additional posts now from me, then it is futile my trying to explain.

Thank you. Perhaps you should of said this in your initial post.

^ I DID SAY SO - and I'm sure that every - impartial - reader would understand as much, but thank you for trying to imply that my standard of English and Grammar is below yours.

[jet]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I remind you of Kizzy. You remind me of Brillo... strange that innit!!

I replied to Kizzy up - thread with this, and this is why it reminded me of you:

Ignoring and denying and diverting is a speciality which Corbyn fanatics have had to attempt to perfect given how dodgy and unpalatable he is. It doesn't work though because those tactics are so transparent.

....and thanks for the Brillo compliment - she takes no s*** and doesn't let anyone run her off this forum though they've tried hard enough. I do admire a strong, resolute woman - just like my amazing wife! Thanks again!

[jet]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

^ I DID SAY SO - and I'm sure that every - impartial - reader would understand as much, but thank you for trying to imply that my standard of English and Grammar is below yours.

This impartial reader understands perfectly, but then I have no need to twist your words to suit an agenda.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by jet

This impartial reader understands perfectly, but then I have no need to twist your words to suit an agenda.

Thank you Jet.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

You have once again avoided the question I asked.

Here's another one: How was Corbyn vindicated as a long time IRA supporter? Evidence?

He is vindicated by NOT being an IRA supporter, never was.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7761801.html

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

He is vindicated by NOT being an IRA supporter, never was.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a7761801.html

OMG Corbyn himself says he wasn't an IRA supporter!!!
Corbyn himself signed something commemorating the dead in 1994 (years after the height if his involvement in the 70's and 80's) that apparently PROVES he wasn't an IRA supporter!!!
This is irrefutable EVIDENCE indeed!!!

All those links I posted including archive material about his IRA sympathies and support are wiped out by this one very important news link, he's vindicated, alert the media!!!

Seriously Kizzy, get a grip, you just sound foolish now.

[jet]

Some samples taken from the many more detailed links I have previously posted and which have been previously completely ignored. Perhaps you and other Corbynites will acknowledge at least these extracts this time?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a...tain-rp79dvvmk

Diane Abbott backed victory for the IRA in an interview with a pro-republican journal, The Sunday Times has found.
Abbott, who will become home secretary if Labour wins the election, said in the 1984 interview that Ireland “is our struggle — every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us. A defeat in Northern Ireland would be a defeat indeed.”
The interview was found during research by The Sunday Times in Irish and republican archives

The same files disclose that the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, personally led or took part in at least 72 separate events or actions with Sinn Fein and pro-republican groups during the years of the IRA’s armed struggle — far more than previously known.
These included a petition to Downing Street on behalf of Hugh Doherty, a member of the IRA’s Balcombe Street gang convicted of killing seven people, and protests against the extradition of Dessie Ellis, a top IRA bomb maker who has denied links to about 50 deaths.

The archives also show the main IRA-sympathising groups in Britain held private strategy meetings in Corbyn’s former constituency office — owned by the Labour Party and part-funded by taxpayers from his MP’s allowance.

The interview was published in Labour and Ireland, the journal of the Labour committee on Ireland (LCI), a small pro-republican support group in the party that operated at the height of the IRA’s armed struggle in the 1980s and early 1990s.
The archives disclose that LCI was chaired for some of the period by John McDonnell, now the shadow chancellor. Corbyn and Abbott were also regular speakers..
There were close links between LCI and the Troops Out Movement [Tom], another IRA-sympathising body with which Corbyn was closely associated. He spoke at more than 20 Troops Out events or meetings.

Corbyn has claimed he was seeking peace. However, Seamus Mallon, deputy to John Hume, the former Social Democratic and Labour Party leader and the architect of the peace process, told The Sunday Times: “I never heard anyone mention Corbyn at all.
“He very clearly took the side of the IRA and that was incompatible, in my opinion, with working for peace.”

https://www.irishnews.com/news/polit...hies--1032915/

Secretary of State James Brokenshire has rounded on Jeremy Corbyn for his "IRA sympathies".
Mr Brokenshire accused the Labour leader and his party colleagues, shadow chancellor John McDonnell and shadow home secretary Diane Abbott, of having "extremely worrying views" about IRA terrorism.
But Mr Brokenshire - who prior to the calling of the General Election had been facilitating talks between Stormont's Sinn Féin and the DUP in a bid to restore powersharing - demanded Mr Corbyn and his top team "come clean about their true attitudes towards IRA terrorism".
He accused Mr Corbyn of having a "long political career of sympathy for the IRA cause".

http://www.cityam.com/265655/jeremy-...le-ira-history

A week after the Brighton bombing, Corbyn invited Gerry Adams to the Commons.
Ireland’s Taoiseach Enda Kenny has said that, according to the evidence he has seen, Adams was not only an IRA member, but sat on its army council.
Corbyn was later arrested while on a pro-IRA protest at the trial of the bomber who had killed five people and injured a further 31. He also wrote for and supported a socialist magazine which gloated about the bombing and threatened Margaret Thatcher with further attacks.

Fifteen years previously, Corbyn was a member of the board of Labour Briefing, a fringe magazine for diehard leftists that unequivocally supported the IRA’s bombing campaign. Corbyn organised the magazine’s mailing-list and was a regular speaker at its events. In December 1984, the magazine“reaffirmed its support for, and solidarity with, the Irish republican
movement”.....Moreover...“It certainly appears to be the case that the British only sit up and take notice when they are bombed into it”. .
This was published a few weeks after the Brighton bombing.

Even Labour sympathisers found it hard to stomach Corbyn’s infatuation with the IRA. A 1996 editorial in the left-leaning Guardian, denounces his “romantic support for Irish Republicans” and states unequivocally: “Mr Corbyn's actions do not advance the cause of peace in Northern Ireland and are not seriously intended to do so”.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by jet

Some samples taken from the many more detailed links I have previously posted and which have been previously completely ignored. Perhaps you and other Corbynites will acknowledge at least these extracts this time?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a...tain-rp79dvvmk

https://www.irishnews.com/news/polit...hies--1032915/

http://www.cityam.com/265655/jeremy-...le-ira-history

“In order to escape accountability for his crimes, the perpetrator does everything in his power to promote forgetting. If secrecy fails, the perpetrator attacks the credibility of his victim. If he cannot silence her absolutely, he tries to make sure no one listens.”

― Judith Lewis Herman, Trauma and Recovery: The Aftermath of Violence - From Domestic Abuse to Political Terror

[DemolitionRed]

Supporting a cause does not mean supporting a killing. Corbyn supports the Palestinian cause and he's been framed as a terrorist sympathizer for doing so. If you don't support the Israeli apartheid you are deemed a terrorist sympathizer or worse, a hater of Jews.

I have no doubt that Corbyn was embroiled in Republican politics during the Irish conflicts but there were reasons. He didn't just wake up one morning and think "yes, I'm going to support the mafia side of the Irish conflict just for the hell of it". There was already a long history of Unionist abuse and Corbyn is big on human rights (as we see with Palestine). Yes they were killing people and yes, they targeted innocents but this was a war and there was a cause... a united Ireland. And so if we look at the cause of the conflict; if we understand the history behind the conflict and understand that it was the Loyalists and British military who were targetting Republican protesters with tear gas before the real troubles began, it makes sense that he, a human rights thinker, would reach out to the cause he believed in with some sort of peaceful dialogue.
He was doing this openly and that's why he was being watched by MI5 who have since closed the case on him because they had nothing on him. The government were doing the same in the hope of finding mutual solidarity but did so in a more covert way.

The British media and the present government are attempting to give us all the impression that Corbyn supported IRA killings but none of them have any reliable sources. If MI5 can't give them anything of substance then nobody can and they were supposedly at every campaign he ever attended.

[jet]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Supporting a cause does not mean supporting a killing. Corbyn supports the Palestinian cause and he's been framed as a terrorist sympathizer for doing so. If you don't support the Israeli apartheid you are deemed a terrorist sympathizer or worse, a hater of Jews.

I have no doubt that Corbyn was embroiled in Republican politics during the Irish conflicts but there were reasons. He didn't just wake up one morning and think "yes, I'm going to support the mafia side of the Irish conflict just for the hell of it". There was already a long history of Unionist abuse and Corbyn is big on human rights (as we see with Palestine). Yes they were killing people and yes, they targeted innocents but this was a war and there was a cause... a united Ireland. And so if we look at the cause of the conflict; if we understand the history behind the conflict and understand that it was the Loyalists and British military who were targetting Republican protesters with tear gas before the real troubles began, it makes sense that he, a human rights thinker, would reach out to the cause he believed in with some sort of peaceful dialogue.
He was doing this openly and that's why he was being watched by MI5 who have since closed the case on him because they had nothing on him. The government were doing the same in the hope of finding mutual solidarity but did so in a more covert way.

The British media and the present government are attempting to give us all the impression that Corbyn supported IRA killings but none of them have any reliable sources. If MI5 can't give them anything of substance then nobody can and they were supposedly at every campaign he ever attended.

Supporting a cause does not mean supporting a killing.

Really? If you are a decent human being you support a cause through democratic means. If you support a cause where the participants are killing and maiming thousands of innocent men, women, children and babies indiscriminately to achieve their aims, then you are supporting the actions of cold blooded murderers and thugs. There is NO way out of that, and trying to excuse his support is monstrous imo.

I take it you don’t agree with democracy? The people of N.Ireland (Protestant and many Catholic) voted democratically to remain part of the UK, the WAR was the one the IRA inflicted on the citizens with the use of bombs and bullets to murder their way into something the majority didn’t want!

...and your potted history of N. Ireland and the origins of the conflict is woefully uncomplicated and ignorant, but then you didn’t live here in the midst of the worst of it like I did so I’ll overlook that as haven’t the inclination or the hours of my time needed to explain the culpability of both sides through the years.

Yes they were killing people and yes, they targeted innocents but this was a war and there was a cause... a united Ireland.

This is despicable in its apologist stance.
There was NO justification for the indiscriminate slaughter of innocents, there was NO justification for Corbyn's support; the minute he smells anything anti - British he's there, poking his nose in and dishing out tea and sympathy.

I see you have conveniently ignored these quotes from republican archives I posted in my previous post...

These included a petition (by Corbyn) to Downing Street on behalf of Hugh Doherty, a member of the IRA’s Balcombe Street gang convicted of killing seven people, and protests against the extradition of Dessie Ellis, a top IRA bomb maker who has denied links to about 50 deaths.

Corbyn was later arrested while on a pro-IRA protest at the trial of the bomber who had killed five people and injured a further 31.

................................................
DemolitionRed:

The British media and the present government are attempting to give us all the impression that Corbyn supported IRA killings but none of them have any reliable sources.

The media and the Government know darn well he was an IRA supporter, the impartial world and its mother knows he was an IRA supporter.

....so I'll repeat part of what I said in my first paragraph: If you support a cause where the participants are killing and maiming thousands of innocent men, women, children and babies indiscriminately to achieve their aims, then you are supporting cold blooded murderers and thugs.
The proof and reliability that he supported IRA killings are there in his own actions.

These quotes from the Spectator say it well:

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/0...t-for-the-ira/

It cannot be said too often that there is nothing intrinsically objectionable about supporting the idea of a united Ireland. But if you did – or still do – support that goal you had a choice. You could ally yourself with the SDLP or you could chum around with Sinn Fein and the IRA. The choice mattered because it was a choice between decency and indecency, between constitutional politics and paramilitary politics. Corbyn, like his Shadow Chancellor, made his choice and chose indecency.

Jeremy Corbyn didn’t help bring peace to Northern Ireland, he helped delay it by enabling those who bore primary responsibility for the violence. Now he and his supporters wish to rewrite history, the better to pretend Corbyn was somehow ‘ahead of the curve’. He was no such thing. His vision of peace did not advocate compromise and dialogue. If it had he might have spent more – or some – time speaking with Unionists and other parties with whose analysis he disagreed. But his vision did not do this and so he did not ‘engage’ with anyone in this fashion. No amount of whitewash can cover up this stain upon his record, his worldview and his judgement.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by jet

Really? If you are a decent human being you support a cause through democratic means. If you support a cause where the participants are killing and maiming thousands of innocent men, women, children and babies indiscriminately to achieve their aims, then you are supporting the actions of cold blooded murderers and thugs. There is NO way out of that, and trying to excuse his support is monstrous imo.

I take it you don’t agree with democracy? The people of N.Ireland (Protestant and many Catholic) voted democratically to remain part of the UK, the WAR was the one the IRA inflicted on the citizens with the use of bombs and bullets to murder their way into something the majority didn’t want!

...and your potted history of N. Ireland and the origins of the conflict is woefully uncomplicated and ignorant, but then you didn’t live here in the midst of the worst of it like I did so I’ll overlook that as haven’t the inclination or the hours of my time needed to explain the culpability of both sides through the years.



This is despicable in its apologist stance.
There was NO justification for the indiscriminate slaughter of innocents, there was NO justification for Corbyn's support; the minute he smells anything anti - British he's there, poking his nose in and dishing out tea and sympathy.

I see you have conveniently ignored these quotes from republican archives I posted in my previous post...




................................................
DemolitionRed:


The media and the Government know darn well he was an IRA supporter, the impartial world and its mother knows he was an IRA supporter.

....so I'll repeat part of what I said in my first paragraph: If you support a cause where the participants are killing and maiming thousands of innocent men, women, children and babies indiscriminately to achieve their aims, then you are supporting cold blooded murderers and thugs.
The proof and reliability that he supported IRA killings are there in his own actions.

These quotes from the Spectator say it well:

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/0...t-for-the-ira/

Great post Jet.

I don’t claim to have any personal experience of the Irish troubles but I know cold blooded murder when I see it. It isn’t For a bunch of militant fanatics to declare ‘war’ on innocent people and can never be justified. They were murderers - and no amount of rhetoric will change that. Supporting terrorism, whatever the cause, is no better.

Like you I find the attempted justification for mass murder very disturbing and believe such attitutudes are part of the problem. People have a right to a cause but not to murder innocent people - it is idealistic garbage that demonstrates a lack of humanity. People with such ideologies who believe they have the right to sacrifice others for their beliefs are dangerous and should never be appeased. Sacrificing their own lives for their cause may be considered admirable but sacrificing others is simple cowardice.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

OMG Corbyn himself says he wasn't an IRA supporter!!!
Corbyn himself signed something commemorating the dead in 1994 (years after the height if his involvement in the 70's and 80's) that apparently PROVES he wasn't an IRA supporter!!!
This is irrefutable EVIDENCE indeed!!!

All those links I posted including archive material about his IRA sympathies and support are wiped out by this one very important news link, he's vindicated, alert the media!!!

Seriously Kizzy, get a grip, you just sound foolish now.

I won't be railroaded on this you have highlighted in your post Hugh Doherty, who I refered to in an earlier post they were released and exonerated.

Your 'links' where are they? the LCI were 'linked' to this and that.... where?

The rest is personal opinion, from rival politicians and journalists.

Yes he was arrested that's well documented.

To me you sound foolish... You're not posting evidence of his personal guilt for anything, just hearsay and supposition.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I won't be railroaded on this you have highlighted in your post Hugh Doherty, who I refered to in an earlier post they were released and exonerated.

Your 'links' where are they? the LCI were 'linked' to this and that.... where?

The rest is personal opinion, from rival politicians and journalists.

Yes he was arrested that's well documented.

To me you sound foolish... You're not posting evidence of his personal guilt for anything, just hearsay and supposition.

Trust what I post, I do my research, here is an example of that for you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_D...ish_republican)

Hugh Doherty is an Irish republican and former volunteer in the Provisional Irish Republican Army. He is known for his role in the Balcombe Street Siege of December 1975, at the resolution of which he was sentenced to eleven terms of life imprisonment for murder, with a judicial recommendation he serve at least 30 years.[1][2][3]

Doherty and fellow members of his active service unit had targeted civilians, soldiers, policemen and politicians as part of the IRA's campaign against British rule in Northern Ireland.[4][5][6][7] During this time they are believed to have killed sixteen people in England[8] including Ross McWhirter, who had offered a £50,000 reward for their arrest, and Gordon Hamilton-Fairley.

The Balcombe Street gang, who were named after the London street on which they were arrested after a five-day siege, were allegedly responsible for 16 murders. During a 14-month campaign across the south-east of England they carried out 50 bombings and shootings.[9]

Doherty's bombing campaign was brought to an end after a five-day siege that was broadcast live on television and watched by millions.[9]

Doherty served 23 years in British prisons before being transferred to Portlaoise prison in Ireland.

In 1987 Jeremy Corbyn handed a petition to then-prime minister Margaret Thatcher demanding better visiting conditions for Doherty and his fellow IRA prisoner Nat Vella and “the immediate transfer of Irish political prisoners to prisons near their homes”.[9]

Doherty made an appearance at the 1998 Sinn Féin Ard Fheis at which the party accepted the Belfast Agreement, under the terms of which Doherty was later released from prison.[1]

I pity those who can't decipher what is in front of them in black and white and just deny deny deny. They don't understand how foolish they look. It's pitiful.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

Trust what I post, I do my research, here is an example of that for you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_D...ish_republican)



I pity those who can't decipher what is in front of them in black and white and just deny deny deny. They don't understand how foolish they look. It's pitiful.

No I don't think I will, I do my own research thank you.
So wiki is more reliable than the British justice system then?...

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No I don't think I will, I do my own research thank you.
So wiki is more reliable than the British justice system then?...

He was NOT exonerated. He was released after a long time with most IRA prisoners as part of the Good Friday Agreement!

OMG. There comes a time when all you can do is.....

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

He was NOT exonerated. He was released after a long time with most IRA prisoners as part of the Good Friday Agreement!

OMG. There comes a time when all you can do is.....

That would explain the release not the exoneration.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That would explain the release not the exoneration.

ok You are a hoot kizzy.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

ok You are a hoot kizzy.

As are you.

[jet]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

“In order to escape accountability for his crimes, the perpetrator does everything in his power to promote forgetting. If secrecy fails, the perpetrator attacks the credibility of his victim. If he cannot silence her absolutely, he tries to make sure no one listens.”

― Judith Lewis Herman, Trauma and Recovery: The Aftermath of Violence - From Domestic Abuse to Political Terror

Thanks Kirk. That is such an apt quote.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Great post Jet.

I don’t claim to have any personal experience of the Irish troubles but I know cold blooded murder when I see it. It isn’t For a bunch of militant fanatics to declare ‘war’ on innocent people and can never be justified. They were murderers - and no amount of rhetoric will change that. Supporting terrorism, whatever the cause, is no better.

Like you I find the attempted justification for mass murder very disturbing and believe such attitutudes are part of the problem. People have a right to a cause but not to murder innocent people - it is idealistic garbage that demonstrates a lack of humanity. People with such ideologies who believe they have the right to sacrifice others for their beliefs are dangerous and should never be appeased. Sacrificing their own lives for their cause may be considered admirable but sacrificing others is simple cowardice.

Absolutely...and those who support those who support terrorism are despicable.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by jet

Really? If you are a decent human being you support a cause through democratic means. If you support a cause where the participants are killing and maiming thousands of innocent men, women, children and babies indiscriminately to achieve their aims, then you are supporting the actions of cold blooded murderers and thugs. There is NO way out of that, and trying to excuse his support is monstrous imo.

I take it you don’t agree with democracy? The people of N.Ireland (Protestant and many Catholic) voted democratically to remain part of the UK, the WAR was the one the IRA inflicted on the citizens with the use of bombs and bullets to murder their way into something the majority didn’t want!

...and your potted history of N. Ireland and the origins of the conflict is woefully uncomplicated and ignorant, but then you didn’t live here in the midst of the worst of it like I did so I’ll overlook that as haven’t the inclination or the hours of my time needed to explain the culpability of both sides through the years.



This is despicable in its apologist stance.
There was NO justification for the indiscriminate slaughter of innocents, there was NO justification for Corbyn's support; the minute he smells anything anti - British he's there, poking his nose in and dishing out tea and sympathy.

I see you have conveniently ignored these quotes from republican archives I posted in my previous post...




................................................
DemolitionRed:


The media and the Government know darn well he was an IRA supporter, the impartial world and its mother knows he was an IRA supporter.

....so I'll repeat part of what I said in my first paragraph: If you support a cause where the participants are killing and maiming thousands of innocent men, women, children and babies indiscriminately to achieve their aims, then you are supporting cold blooded murderers and thugs.
The proof and reliability that he supported IRA killings are there in his own actions.

These quotes from the Spectator say it well:

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/0...t-for-the-ira/

Great post Jet. I think people need to walk a mile in your shoes before claiming they know how it was. None of us do, we only have glimpses.

[Kizzy]

“In order to escape accountability for his crimes, the perpetrator does everything in his power to promote forgetting. If secrecy fails, the perpetrator attacks the credibility of his victim. If he cannot silence her absolutely, he tries to make sure no one listens.”

Isn't that happening to Corbyn now?

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

“In order to escape accountability for his crimes, the perpetrator does everything in his power to promote forgetting. If secrecy fails, the perpetrator attacks the credibility of his victim. If he cannot silence her absolutely, he tries to make sure no one listens.”

Isn't that happening to Corbyn now?

I don't think so no, Kizzy. I understand that you are devoted to this person and that's your right but you have to remember that the position he is in means that he could one day be the leader of this country and that means he is and should be open to scruitiny. It's important.

[jet]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Great post Jet. I think people need to walk a mile in your shoes before claiming they know how it was. None of us do, we only have glimpses.

Thanks Jaxie.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I don't think so no, Kizzy. I understand that you are devoted to this person and that's your right but you have to remember that the position he is in means that he could one day be the leader of this country and that means he is and should be open to scruitiny. It's important.

I'm not 'devoted' to him... I support him and his stance here. Tom Watson agreed that Owen smith was wrong to create that article, I agree with them both.