[Tozzie]

she has a right to her opinion but a lot of people these days condemn people for having an opinion if they see something as wrong. Who says everyone has to like something, if they don't agree with it then they don't agree with it, it's the individuals prerogative. Does everyone have to agree on everything?? I don't agree with lots of things but it seems a lot of the younger generation agree with everything that is happening in life these days, even choosing ones own gender which I personally find absolutely ridiculous but some would condemn me for having that view? Its a mad world and gets madder by the day

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'm sorry but that's BS in regard both Cherie and myself. I don't agree with one particular other form member all the time on any issues. I think you have a presumed bias here based on what you think and are imagining the rest. I agree with most people on occasion including you.

You are implying we are some sort of gang and it's simply not true.

I'd happily stick up for you or anyone else if I thought you were being picked on TS but in this case you came with the accusations and agression no one else.

OK jaxie. I accept what you're saying but will exercise my right to reserve judgement.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

OK jaxie. I accept what you're saying but will exercise my right to reserve judgement.

Aren't you already judging though and yet you've not linked one example. It's hardly fair to be accusing us of 'something' without showing us where we are doing this thing and even one example doesn't really make a gang. I'm sure if you try you can find examples of me agreeing with Brillo, and Bitontheslide, and Livia, and Naimh, and Vicky, and Jet, and Northern Monkey, and Maru and countless others. There are even some examples of me agreeing with Kizzy! And we are often on opposing sides of a discussion. Which is funny because she thinks I'm a Tory and I think it's because I'm more optimistic than she is.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That's why I included the part in bold? It's OK if you don't want to commit to an answer, though.

I misunderstood that part as I thought that meant that you meant you paraphrasing your own quote. Call me stupid.

@Bold And this is what I mean... this statement makes some sort of assumption here, that I don't commit to my answers?... wtaf? Where did that come from???...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

you've not linked one example. It's hardly fair to be accusing us of 'something' without showing us where we are doing this thing

Isn't that literally what you just did on the previous page?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Aren't you already judging though and yet you've not linked one example. It's hardly fair to be accusing us of 'something' without showing us where we are doing this thing and one example doesn't really make a gang.

Didnt you do precisely this to Marsh like 20 minutes ago

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Isn't that literally what you just did on the previous page?

Oop twinny

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Tozzie

she has a right to her opinion but a lot of people these days condemn people for having an opinion if they see something as wrong. Who says everyone has to like something, if they don't agree with it then they don't agree with it, it's the individuals prerogative. Does everyone have to agree on everything?? I don't agree with lots of things but it seems a lot of the younger generation agree with everything that is happening in life these days, even choosing ones own gender which I personally find absolutely ridiculous but some would condemn me for having that view? Its a mad world and gets madder by the day

Yes...? That's pretty much the counter argument... "Who are you to tell others what they are???"... etc

[Marsh.]

It's not though? He's saying he doesn't find the reasons/argument behind an opinion very convincing?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm not taking offense Kizzy, I'm noting that (as with every other post directed at me recently) you're attempting (and failing) to cause offense.

So you make presumptuous accusatory comments about the motives of others, but you want me to see YOU as the victim?...No.


"I think you might have more to say that you're holding back" is not putting words in someone's mouth. There might be an implication of what "those things" are, I suppose, but then that would be easily cleared up with "No, what I'm holding back on saying is...". Someone could also say "Nope I'm not holding anything back" but again - in what world does that mean you MUST believe that? Is it debate? Really? If you think someone is holding back you should say so .

You accused people of vitriol, that posts were being mocked and disregarded, you accused moderators of not remaining impartial in certain topics. Your presumption was unwarranted and incendiary.




And no, I don't accept that not having a full-and-set-in-stone opinion on any subject equates to ignorance. In fact, some of the most ignorant people I've ever encountered are those who DO have such concrete belief sets.

Whoever said you had to have a set in stone opinion? Your whole argument hinges on the need for respectful, civilised debate ...just how is that to be realised if you stomp into a thread and accuse those who have given a reasoned opinion that that are effectively chatting ****?!

[Marsh.]

Like you do with the "mansplaining" sh*t you mean?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Aren't you already judging though and yet you've not linked one example. It's hardly fair to be accusing us of 'something' without showing us where we are doing this thing and even one example doesn't really make a gang. I'm sure if you try you can find examples of me agreeing with Brillo, and Bitontheslide, and Livia, and Naimh, and Vicky, and Jet, and Northern Monkey, and Maru and countless others. There are even some examples of me agreeing with Kizzy! And we are often on opposing sides of a discussion. Which is funny because she thinks I'm a Tory and I think it's because I'm more optimistic than she is.

Yeah...Even Me!!

Wait, ....What?

[Maru]

Youtube video

This is the future and is the present depending on what part of the US you would live in. I know someone who works in an in-patient therapy program, and while I understand the thought process for it being more "humane", when taken to this extreme (which it does there) it has no end other goal except to create false sense of comfort... and that to me, I question if that is humane. We are allowing folk to believe in a lie on the basis that to tell them otherwise would create some sort of harm... except aren't we doing harm when we lie to them... when they inevitably find out that broad swaths of their friends aren't brave enough to tell them the truth, I can see that opening the doors to a lot of issues with dealing with the truth and self-esteem problems actually.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Like you do with the "mansplaining" sh*t you mean?

No nothing like that... That is real, this is a prime example.

Woman says something ...

Man comes in, 'what a load of vitriol!!'

Woman says, 'what vitriol, where?'

Man says, Well... 'nothing here, but I know you're thinking something vitriolic!!

:/

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No nothing like that... That is real, this is a prime example.

Woman says something ...

Man comes in, 'what a load of vitriol!!'

Woman says, 'what vitriol, where?'

Man says, Well... 'nothing here, but I know you're thinking something vitriolic!!

:/

That's not what he said though.

Let's not pretend you wouldn't have responded to any counter argument he gave with sexist sh*t. You always do.
It's always in the name of "fighting misogyny" but it's double standard sexism all the same.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

That's not what he said though.

Let's not pretend you wouldn't have responded to any counter argument he gave with sexist sh*t. You always do.
It's always in the name of "fighting misogyny" but it's double standard sexism all the same.

I'm sexist now? ....

Conversation over.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm sexist now? ....

Not just now. All the time and I've brought it up many times that you've done it.

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Conversation over.

Always is when you're called out on double standards.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yeah...Even Me!!

Wait, ....What?

Meh you called me a villain the other day, payback!

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Maru

@Bold And this is what I mean... this statement makes some sort of assumption here, that I don't commit to my answers?... wtaf? Where did that come from???...

But it's not... It's genuinely asking for an answer, but saying that I'm not going to think negatively if you don't want to answer it, since I don't want to be accused of making demands. I don't see how it in any way infers that you don't commit to answers at other times... And somewhat ironically... Is deciding that it implies that not exactly the "mind reading" you're talking about?

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

But it's not... It's genuinely asking for an answer, but saying that I'm not going to think negatively if you don't want to answer it, since I don't want to be accused of making demands. I don't see how it in any was infers that you don't commit to answers at other times... And somewhat ironically... Is deciding that it implies that not exactly the "mind reading" you're talking about?

Ok, thanks for that TS. I'll just leave this here then.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not just now. All the time and I've brought it up many times that you've done it.



Always is when you're called out on double standards.

Not so fast, I'm not accepting you making an accusation like that and your pathetic double standards comments.

Explain to me if you can where and when I have been sexist, because right now I'm calling you out as a liar.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Meh you called me a villain the other day, payback!

I don't remember this either.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't remember this either.

It was jokingly when you were responding to TS and he had singled us out. You said you were joking it was fine!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Not so fast, I'm not accepting you making an accusation like that and your pathetic double standards comments.

Explain to me if you can where and when I have been sexist, because right now I'm calling you out as a liar.

Telling men they aren't permitted to comment on women's issues, or what they do say is irrelevant or invalid.

Responding to any response by a male poster with "Are you mansplaining to me?" or "Do you actually think I care what you think of my posts?" etc etc. It's all over the forum and you know it.

Misandry at its worst.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Telling men they aren't permitted to comment on women's issues, or what they do say is irrelevant or invalid.

Responding to any response by a male poster with "Are you mansplaining to me?" or "Do you actually think I care what you think of my posts?" etc etc. It's all over the forum and you know it.

Misandry at its worst.

I've never said that!.... Seriously Marsh I don't know what your reading into my comments but I don't appreciate these accusations.

It was only a couple of weeks ago you were posting how much you like me, and as we've disagreed on one or two issues now I'm some man hating monster? :/