[Twosugars]

to play devil's advocate: it hasn't been proved yet it was actually Assad who used them; there's always a possibility it was done by somebody else to get the west to blame Assad and get involved. Many actors could be at play: Iran, Turkey, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Isis, etc. Just sayin'.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

to play devil's advocate: it hasn't been proved yet it was actually Assad who used them; there's always a possibility it was done by somebody else to get the west to blame Assad and get involved. Many actors could be at play: Iran, Turkey, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Isis, etc. Just sayin'.

in which case the Russian's would be quick enough to point the finger

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

to play devil's advocate: it hasn't been proved yet it was actually Assad who used them; there's always a possibility it was done by somebody else to get the west to blame Assad and get involved. Many actors could be at play: Iran, Turkey, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Isis, etc. Just sayin'.

A lot of photos going around the net showing mock up of injuries....some blaming the white helmets for faking it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it's nothing like the same as blair/bush. However, given there is probably time now, I do think it should go to a vote in parliament before action is taken

Time..Time for what?

What is different?

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Time..Time for what?

What is different?

well this has to be coordinated with the french and the USA and neither are jumping to immediate action. Immediate action prior to Monday's restart of parliament is the only reason not to go to the house for a vote, and that seems unlikely now. Also, from the grape vine, it looks like Trump is going to be quite busy looking after his own personal interests in the next few days

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

in which case the Russian's would be quick enough to point the finger

they have called it "staged"

[Northern Monkey]

Would it not be more sensible to try getting some independent investigators in to investigate before lobbing cruise missiles in?
What’s the objective?Is it just to take out chemical weapons plants and missile silos/airbases as a punishment?
Because what starts out as one thing usually turns into regime change in these countries.Assad is a disgrace but what may come in his place may be worse when the alternative is a load of Islamist Jihadis.

[Nicky91]

Assad is worse than ISIS, Putin is worse than ISIS and Assad combined


Russia is the most evil country, no one is nice there

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Assad is worse than ISIS, Putin is worse than ISIS and Assad combined


Russia is the most evil country, no one is nice there

what about your friend from Russia?

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

what about your friend from Russia?

she lives in Germany anyway, and she's more from Kazakhstan it was soviet Union when her family lived there

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Would it not be more sensible to try getting some independent investigators in to investigate before lobbing cruise missiles in?
What’s the objective?Is it just to take out chemical weapons plants and missile silos/airbases as a punishment?
Because what starts out as one thing usually turns into regime change in these countries.Assad is a disgrace but what may come in his place may be worse when the alternative is a load of Islamist Jihadis.

The French president has the evidence. A targeted strike at chemical weapons dumps is no big deal. Would you prefer to leave Syria and the Russians to it, and just wait for the next event here? Because it becomes much more likely if the world lets them away with it.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The French president has the evidence. A targeted strike at chemical weapons dumps is no big deal. Would you prefer to leave Syria and the Russians to it, and just wait for the next event here? Because it becomes much more likely if the world lets them away with it.

btw isn't a chemical weapons silo just like a nuclear weapon silo, one explosion and there will be a toxic cloud so basically trump is gonna murder some innocent people as well

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The French president has the evidence. A targeted strike at chemical weapons dumps is no big deal. Would you prefer to leave Syria and the Russians to it, and just wait for the next event here? Because it becomes much more likely if the world lets them away with it.

My worry is that it could be about more than just taking out chemical weapons capabilities and turn into toppling yet another dictator and creating another power vacuum.Only this one is much more dangerous as it’s full of Russian interests.Russia won’t let Assad go down without a fight.You saw how fast Putin acted in Ukraine when his ally was ousted there.This could go very badly wrong.
I won’t lie.I don’t like it.

[Maru]

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