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20-05-2018, 03:45 PM | #1 | ||
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I think when it comes down to it, there's only four sexual orientations which are straight, gay, bi and Asexual. I think anything else is extraneous tbh and I cringe whenever I see someone say LGBTGSDGARASDASASHRTDFAS because it's just so extra in a bad way since it gives fuel to the fire for the people who want to dismiss the cause as a whole. |
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20-05-2018, 03:47 PM | #2 | |||
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20-05-2018, 04:01 PM | #3 | |||
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I don't see why it's any of my business to go around labelling other people's sexual identities as valid or invalid
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20-05-2018, 04:03 PM | #4 | ||
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20-05-2018, 04:09 PM | #5 | ||
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Imo it's too early to say. Gender fluidity has become a widely publicised thing only recently. Need to wait and see if it catches on as a popular alternative to binary genders. It may or may not be just a fad.
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20-05-2018, 04:12 PM | #6 | |||
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Well I'm pansexual
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20-05-2018, 04:13 PM | #7 | |||
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20-05-2018, 04:27 PM | #8 | |||
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Whilst gender fluidity is entirely valid and 100% something I support, it is still ultimately the fluidity between two set sexes and I would consider anyone who's attracted to someone regardless of their gender as 'bisexual'.
As Dezzy said, its very definition just basically implies that anyone who identifies as a bisexual is inherently transphobic. I don't really see the need for extra letters to LGBT because the very existence of an "LGBT" community is already fractured and complicated enough within itself - see every single example of gays rubbing trans the wrong way, the past ten years Of course if it's just an umbrella term for "let's have a pride event, X Y and Z you're all welcome!" then sure, but I don't see any natural inclination for bisexual people to be associated, by definition, with say, asexuals, or allies. (I personally think including 'allies' at all is a bit laughable but that's neither here nor there). Asexuality also seems an odd inclusion, since I would have thought having zero sexual interest wouldn't have much of an impact on your day to day life, and see little room for prejudice against you... save for a few awkward "well WHY don't you like sex!!!??" questions. And once you start attempting to break down the differences between genderfluid, genderqueer, agender, you just generally start losing people and it's a little bit like trying to explain the rules to Quidditch to someone who's never read Harry Potter, nor has to.
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20-05-2018, 04:27 PM | #9 | |||
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i think it is tbh
but i agree that the extraneous amount of terms is unnecessary
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20-05-2018, 04:38 PM | #10 | |||
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I don't know why any labels are needed at all. It's the creation of labels and trying to pigeon hole people that causes the majority of the problems that we have.
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20-05-2018, 04:39 PM | #11 | ||
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But would have to ask bisexuals if they go for mixed gendered individuals or not. We should not assume they do. If you like chicks and dicks does it mean you automatically like chicks with dicks? |
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20-05-2018, 04:54 PM | #12 | |||
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Perhaps not, but it would be wrong to assume they don't, too, as the word 'pan' seems to.
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20-05-2018, 04:59 PM | #13 | |||
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how would people who aren’t straight live in a world without labels?
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20-05-2018, 05:32 PM | #14 | ||
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20-05-2018, 05:43 PM | #15 | |||
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Honestly I am quite ignorant about sexuality. I am straight and I have a few gay and bi friends so I get that but anything else I am pretty vague on. I don't tend to care what somebodys sexuality is so I don't understand it well at all.
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20-05-2018, 05:47 PM | #16 | ||
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I don't think there's an implication of bisexual transphobia. |
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20-05-2018, 05:49 PM | #17 | ||
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I also disagree with the four sexualities thing because it contradicts my belief in the scale.
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20-05-2018, 05:51 PM | #18 | ||
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Because in 2018, the default label is straight. We're still living in a heteronormative society.
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20-05-2018, 05:55 PM | #19 | |||
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My understanding of bi, is that gender matters. They are sexually attracted to men because they love cock (etc) and women because they love tits (etc), whereas a pansexual can love both of these genders, but not because of their genitals. Genitals arent a factor that they consider when searching for a companion, which is unlike bi people. Bi people are sexually aroused by men and women, whereas pansexual people do not care if they are men or women, they are instead aroused by their persona, and gender would therefore not matter. I dont even know if that makes sense, but I cant make a third paragraph on it, thats so extra. Bi loves men and women because they are men or women, pan love men and women because they are people that they like.
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20-05-2018, 06:08 PM | #20 | |||
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absolute bollocks, just people trying to satiate out basic desire to feel important, same as pretending to see ghosts or talking to spirits. It just makes the person feel important and that people are interested in them
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20-05-2018, 06:10 PM | #21 | |||
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(Yes, I think pansexual is a thing. Some people are sexually attracted to cattle or cars or whatever furries are supposed to be, why cant others be sexually attacted to personality!)
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20-05-2018, 06:18 PM | #22 | |||
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See I've heard this line of removing the sex from the whole equation before but that still doesn't make much sense to me. Ultimately you are playing with someone's genitals, whatever their gender is, so just resting and saying "I fall in love with a person, not a sex " is just incredibly condescending to anyone who identifies as anything other than pansexual. Also implies all homosexual males only like cis men, all heterosexual females only like cis men, etc. etc.
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20-05-2018, 06:28 PM | #23 | |||
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The difference is bi people seeking out both genders because theyre aroused by both genders (may include trans), or pan people seeking out any gender, because they literally can be aroused by any gender depending on their personality (also, may include trans). @Adam contributing more would be helpful if he really is pan? Am i on the right track or no?
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20-05-2018, 06:29 PM | #24 | |||
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20-05-2018, 06:30 PM | #25 | |||
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I wouldnt call that pan, I’d call that something else.
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