[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I actually watched this unfold in real time. Ther were the usual deatn threats, rape threats, insults on her appearance, insults about her son...etc. All because she dared to not go allong wit some bull**** word than MRAs (sorry, transactivists..but same thing) made up to try and stick women back in their box. Same story every time. A woman says no, the abuse comes. Its shocking, but so prectable.

yet


Nobody's being rebranded or repackaged.


but if you don't go along with it expect the above...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

yet


Nobody's being rebranded or repackaged.


but if you don't go along with it expect the above...

It just seems different rules apply, like a man can say I'm not a man I'm a woman call me that and if you don't you're a bigot but on the flipside if a woman says I'm not a cis woman, I'm a woman call me that she's still a bigot. It seems to be a case of follow all my rules and do as I say or else you'll get abused and threatened........Sure June

[Vicky.]

Wlel its just abusive narcisistic men being abusive narcisistic men tbh. God forbid any woman dares say no to their demands. My skin has been hardened so much since startying to talk about this issue online, I actually get daily threats and that now...but the first time the bombardment happens, it can be scary as **** which is why a lot of people actually leave twitter or whatever over it.

I still don't use my own name to talk about stuff though, ever since I was put on a list of people to be doxxed and started getting threats that they would find my children. So I use a fake name, to talk about issues that actually affect me, as I am too ****ing scare to use my own name! Its pathetic really. But their behaviour is horrendous. They actually are worse than incels or the worst red pillers...mainly becase I think they are a mixof the two who have found a 'right on' cause to attach themelves to.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It just seems different rules apply, like a man can say I'm not a man I'm a woman call me that and if you don't you're a bigot but on the flipside if a woman says I'm not a cis woman, I'm a woman call me that she's still a bigot. It seems to be a case of follow all my rules and do as I say or else you'll get abused and threatened........Sure June

its ridiculous, females transition to male all the time, where is the rebrand for men born as men

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Is abuse. That doesn't change what I said.

Alison Moyet getting uppity about a descriptive word is also pathetic. But no that doesn't justify any abuse.

And aren't you also getting uppity because women dare to object to having a word tacked on to woman? Perhaps you and Alison have more in common than you thought.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I've never liked the term cis. When it comes to trans issues I like to keep things simple. Has the trans person transisitioned yet? If so then I consider them their chosen gender, if not then they are still their birth gender. You can't just decide one day that you are the opposite sex and that everyone has to treat you as such regardless of the state of your transition. I call people what they want to be called but you can't try to make out it's a hate crime if people don't use the right pronouns or disagree. It's underselling what a hate crime is and makes a mockery of all who have been victims of it.

Blurring the lines just lead to messy situations like this one and I think a lot of mtf trans people are letting the trans community down by going on the attack like this. I definitely think there's merit to the accusations of misogyny.

Well said Dezzy. We agree, let's have cake.

[Kizzy]

You cannot inflict change on someone/ group and not expect a backlash... Women have fought long and hard for rights over hundreds of years and it is a slow continual process, so why would another marginalised group choose to dictate a premis for women...
I 100% understand the backlash, for generations it has been a hard slog to shed stereotypes and labels and yet for some reason be expected to meekly don another?

I appreciate it's marketed as a descriptor, but I for one don't want it... I have one, I'm a woman. To be abused for not accepting a term applied is repressive and smacks of age old suppression, that's why there is a furious kick back from women.

[Niamh.]

Kizzy do you watch The Handmaids Tale? This topic reminds me of it in certain ways

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Kizzy do you watch The Handmaids Tale? This topic reminds me of it in certain ways

No but it looks really interesting I might start, it sticks in my craw how there is this really insidious and frankly sinister reaction to the objection... why would any group who themselves have fought against labels want to afflict them on another?

It won't work, there will be those for even that is a reason to abuse a woman, like you say it identifies her not only as a woman but a breeder... That's enough to cause a division.

As you rightly point out too where are the cismen?......I see no discussion on this, why?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No but it looks really interesting I might start, it sticks in my craw how there is this really insidious and frankly sinister reaction to the objection... why would any group who themselves have fought against labels want to afflict them on another?

It won't work, there will be those for even that is a reason to abuse a woman, like you say it identifies her not only as a woman but a breeder... That's enough to cause a division.

As you rightly point out too where are the cismen?......I see no discussion on this, why?

I think we all know why........

But yeah watch The Handmaids Tale I think you'll love it

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I think we all know why........

But yeah watch The Handmaids Tale I think you'll love it

Handmaid's tale is a fantastic but terrifying show. For me Serena Joy is almost worse than her husband in her attempts to dehumanise June.

[Cherie]

It's interesting given the thread we had yesterday about only one group having struggles in 2018, they might be the most vocal but certainly not the only group

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Handmaid's tale is a fantastic but terrifying show. For me Serena Joy is almost worse than her husband in her attempts to dehumanise June.

I haven't watched the second series yet, not sure what to expect, the first was so true to the book and ended when the book ended

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Handmaid's tale is a fantastic but terrifying show. For me Serena Joy is almost worse than her husband in her attempts to dehumanise June.

How far in are you with it?

It's so terrifying because I definitely find myself thinking alot, this **** could actually happen, it really isn't that far fetched at all, I was saying that to Vicky and she told me that apparently the author had made sure when writing the book to only use things that had actually happened to women at some point in our history.....

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I haven't watched the second series yet, not sure what to expect, the first was so true to the book and ended when the book ended

Just finished S02 and it's excellent

[Marsh.]

Oh come off it.

Non-trans being referred to as cis is like the Handmaiden's Tale?

Cis refers to men too. The Butler's Tale?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh come off it.

Non-trans being referred to as cis is like the Handmaiden's Tale?

Not at all Ofmarsh

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Not at all Ofmarsh

Watch it Ofgavin!

[Marsh.]

Back to this specific incident itself with Moyet.

It seems she wasn't having any words or titles or pronouns forced onto her.

She came out and commented on the word cis for no reason at all.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It's interesting given the thread we had yesterday about only one group having struggles in 2018, they might be the most vocal but certainly not the only group

Nobody ever said they were.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No but it looks really interesting I might start, it sticks in my craw how there is this really insidious and frankly sinister reaction to the objection... why would any group who themselves have fought against labels want to afflict them on another?

It won't work, there will be those for even that is a reason to abuse a woman, like you say it identifies her not only as a woman but a breeder... That's enough to cause a division.

As you rightly point out too where are the cismen?......I see no discussion on this, why?

Cismen? They're not permitted an opinion on the matter. Cis only refers to women even though it doesn't etc.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How far in are you with it?

It's so terrifying because I definitely find myself thinking alot, this **** could actually happen, it really isn't that far fetched at all, I was saying that to Vicky and she told me that apparently the author had made sure when writing the book to only use things that had actually happened to women at some point in our history.....

I'm up to episode 10 of series 2. I was unsure about series 2 going in but I think they've done a fantastic job. It is terrifying because it is close to reality and in fact is a sort of idealism that is often preached by religious groups. I find how the wives go along with it all to steal other women's babies particularly sinister though I have a personal theory that Serena Joy might end up helping June escape because she is guilt riddled.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I haven't watched the second series yet, not sure what to expect, the first was so true to the book and ended when the book ended

I was worried the second series would be too manufactured because the book ended with series one but I think series two is even better.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'm up to episode 10 of series 2. I was unsure about series 2 going in but I think they've done a fantastic job. It is terrifying because it is close to reality and in fact is a sort of idealism that is often preached by religious groups. I find how the wives go along with it all to steal other women's babies particularly sinister though I have a personal theory that Serena Joy might end up helping June escape because she is guilt riddled.

I just watched the finale, so when you're up to date go in the thread in the TV section and we'll discuss it. Under His Eye.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I just watched the finale, so when you're up to date go in the thread in the TV section and we'll discuss it. Under His Eye.

May the Lord open!

I'll see you there. I've been watching with my son but the football sidetracked things a bit. Hoping to catch up this week/weekend. We like a lot of the same TV, Mr Jaxie can't sit still long enough to watch with us. We like to binge watch.