[Morgan.]

Youtube video

... even if they are strongly against the idea due to religious beliefs?

A very interesting debate here and I think it'd be interesting to open it up to TiBB to get a wider discussion involving those who may not be directly associated with the issue.

[Matthew.]

Of course they should

[Morgan.]

Personally I think they're in a role where their duty is to help and respect their patients no matter what - and if that means calling them by their preferred gender and associated pronouns then that's what needs to happen.

[ethanjames]

yes of course! its not that hard to call someone by the pronouns they prefer even if you don't agree with it as its called being a decent human being. i don't think i could cope with being called the pronouns of my previous sex even though i pass as a guy and all of that and not been misgendered in years its just upsetting and unneeded.

[Vicky.]

Yes I think they should, however if something is sex specific, they should of course be able to refer to the patients actual sex. There are a few illnesses/symptoms and such that are sex specific, and it does noone any favours to pretend this is not the case or the patient is actually the opposite sex, which they are not.

[Vicky.]

I don't think religious beliefs should come into medical stuff tbh. Like, doctors should not be able to refuse to refer for abortions and such because of what they believe.

[glibberglobber]

No

[Morgan.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yes I think they should, however if something is sex specific, they should of course be able to refer to the patients actual sex. There are a few illnesses/symptoms and such that are sex specific, and it does noone any favours to pretend this is not the case or the patient is actually the opposite sex, which they are not.

Yeah that's exactly what Munroe was saying - sex and gender are different things and she accepts and understands that but it's some doctors who feel as if they're the Same and someone is male or female.

[ethanjames]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yes I think they should, however if something is sex specific, they should of course be able to refer to the patients actual sex. There are a few illnesses/symptoms and such that are sex specific, and it does noone any favours to pretend this is not the case or the patient is actually the opposite sex, which they are not.

exactly how i feel

[Matthew.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Yes I think they should, however if something is sex specific, they should of course be able to refer to the patients actual sex. There are a few illnesses/symptoms and such that are sex specific, and it does noone any favours to pretend this is not the case or the patient is actually the opposite sex, which they are not.

oh yeah, i agree with this, good point

[Niamh.]

Yeah what Vicky said really.

[ethanjames]

just watched the video Munroe did brilliantly and the points she was making were good!

[Withano]

What does ‘religion’ say about gender

Edit: christianity

[Withano]

Of course medical professionals, or any other person in the world should acknowledge a persons gender.

[Oliver_W]

"Doctor Who Refuses to Acknowledge Gender Choice Challenged by Trans Woman"
Bring back Capaldi!

[Morgan.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

"Doctor Who Refuses to Acknowledge Gender Choice Challenged by Trans Woman"
Bring back Capaldi!

Um

[reece(:]

Yes, making the patient feel comfortable is priority regardless of how you feel/believe, and this should not be questionable.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Blurryface

Um

I’d watch that episode tbf. When Doctor Who reveals he’s a bigot, so the Daleks finally win with the help from a challenging trans woman.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Doctor Who Refuses to Acknowledge Gender Choice

Its not a choice Time Lords just regenerate at random. Though in theory there is an element of subconscious choice...

But this is no place for Sci-fi musings

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

I’d watch that episode tbf. When Doctor Who reveals he’s a bigot, so the Daleks finally win with the help from a challenging trans woman.

Ahaha this message reminded me of when India Willougby said they had an orgasm over a dalek

[Crimson Dynamo]

Call them Arthur or Martha but treat them for what they actually are.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Call them Arthur or Martha but treat them for what they actually are.

... 90 year olds?

[smudgie]

Yes.
If they are transitioned it should be in their notes so I can't see a problem.
If it is for religious beliefs then it's wrong. Where in the ruddy bible does it say it's wrong to transition to the opposite sex?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by smudgie

If it is for religious beliefs then it's wrong. Where in the ruddy bible does it say it's wrong to transition to the opposite sex?

Off the top of my head... The old testiment quite explicitly against it (body is created by god and therefore sacred, men shouldn't wear females clothes and vice versa) whereas the NT is more along the lines of the physical body being irrelevant / we are "all one" and the true self resides in the soul etc. so could probably be interpreted as pro-trans if one was so inclined.

Old testiment you can't really twist to be anything other than what it is. No tolerance for homosexuality, transgenderism, women being anything other than baby ovens, etc.

But NT gets top trumps over OT or something like that, because jesus read the OT and was like "nah that's mean".

[montblanc]

yes