[Livia]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Grown adults have decided to base their lives on fairy stories written in bronze age Palestine, and you're wondering why people feel the need to mock that?

Grown adults who have faith. And yes, people feel the need to mock something they don't understand. You can believe whatever you like... I don't feel the need to mock you because that would be ignorant of me.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Livia

Grown adults who have faith. And yes, people feel the need to mock something they don't understand. You can believe whatever you like... I don't feel the need to mock you because that would be ignorant of me.

You make it sound like faith is some mystical unknowable thing when in reality it's anything but that. It just means accepting things without any evidence, that's it, nothing more glamorous than that, unfortunately for those who use it as a shield to avoid scrutinising their own beliefs.

People are free to believe whatever they choose, but ideas are not sacred, and especially when it comes to religion. Religion to this day has a say in the lives of the world; we only need to look at the detrimental effects catholicism has in Africa, or how Islam is a curse in the middle east and parts of Africa.

Or how religion in this very day in the US fights to take rights away from women who wish to control their own reproductive systems.

I'm sorry if that offends you, but it's nearly 2019 and we know stuff these days. In any other context, believing in the stuff that religion requires you to believe would be open to mockery. Religion was just our first attempt at understanding the world, nothing more grand than that, but I credit the ancients for their ambition.

By all means call me ignorant if you wish, but it would be misguided because I understand full well what religion is, I'm just not impressed.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

He most categorically was not a myth, he existed. Whether or not he was the son of god is a different matter.

There is zero evidence that he existed. Zero.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

but back off Santa

Obviously

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

People are allowed their opinion. I personally find all organised religion to be bull**** because it's all written by man at the end of the day. People are allowed to believe what they want and so am I and I believe that organised religion, at it's core, has always been a weapon of control.

is it all written by man? What about the religion of feminism, who wrote that?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

is it all written by man? What about the religion of feminism, who wrote that?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

He never writ it, did he?

[Cherie]

I will comment when a thread appears around EID mocking Islam and it runs to 3 pages, or I could eat my hat if that happens, so i guess I will be eating my hat

I am not particularly religious, more of an Easter and Christmas catholic and even that is slipping a little, but some people find faith a great solace and why would I want to deny anyone that

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

He never writ it, did he?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I will comment when a thread appears around EID mocking Islam and it runs to 3 pages, or I could eat my hat if that happens, so i guess I will be eating my hat

Can you imagine if some posters in this thread got arrested for hate speech?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

There is zero evidence that he existed. Zero.

there are mentions of him by Jewish and Roman historians so

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Alf

is it all written by man? What about the religion of feminism, who wrote that?

what are you on about?
1/feminism is not a religion
2/this thread is not about feminism

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

there are mentions of him by Jewish and Roman historians so

None from the time he was alive and scholars widely believe that references to him in Josephus' writings were added later and not by the original author. I've done this in my education, so I don't need to look it up.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

None from the time he was alive and scholars widely believe that references to him in Josephus' writings were added later and not by the original author. I've done this in my education, so I don't need to look it up.

good gif tho
Josephus might have been tampered with, but the gist of the passage is considered genuine. There's also Tacitus and apocryphal texts and circumstantial evidence
wikipedia says

Virtually all New Testament scholars and Near East historians, applying the standard criteria of historical investigation, find that the historicity of Jesus is effectively certain

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I will comment when a thread appears around EID mocking Islam and it runs to 3 pages, or I could eat my hat if that happens, so i guess I will be eating my hat

I am not particularly religious, more of an Easter and Christmas catholic and even that is slipping a little, but some people find faith a great solace and why would I want to deny anyone that

i would happily mock that disgusting cult but we have no one who would disagree

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

is it all written by man? What about the religion of feminism, who wrote that?

Valerie Solanas.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

good gif tho
Josephus might have been tampered with, but the gist of the passage is considered genuine. There's also Tacitus and apocryphal texts and circumstantial evidence
wikipedia says

Just to provide you with more information, there is no mention of Jesus' life for 60 years, and that is Josephus. Tacitus is 20 years later still. it doesn't even reference Jesus as a historical person, and is also widely viewed by modern scholars as probably being a forgery.

You are correct about scholars mostly accepting that Jesus was a historical figure, but that's not because of any actual evidence he existed. There isn't any.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

You make it sound like faith is some mystical unknowable thing when in reality it's anything but that. It just means accepting things without any evidence, that's it, nothing more glamorous than that, unfortunately for those who use it as a shield to avoid scrutinising their own beliefs.

People are free to believe whatever they choose, but ideas are not sacred, and especially when it comes to religion. Religion to this day has a say in the lives of the world; we only need to look at the detrimental effects catholicism has in Africa, or how Islam is a curse in the middle east and parts of Africa.

Or how religion in this very day in the US fights to take rights away from women who wish to control their own reproductive systems.

I'm sorry if that offends you, but it's nearly 2019 and we know stuff these days. In any other context, believing in the stuff that religion requires you to believe would be open to mockery. Religion was just our first attempt at understanding the world, nothing more grand than that, but I credit the ancients for their ambition.

By all means call me ignorant if you wish, but it would be misguided because I understand full well what religion is, I'm just not impressed.

"It's 2019 and we know stuff"

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I will comment when a thread appears around EID mocking Islam and it runs to 3 pages, or I could eat my hat if that happens, so i guess I will be eating my hat

I am not particularly religious, more of an Easter and Christmas catholic and even that is slipping a little, but some people find faith a great solace and why would I want to deny anyone that

I don't even know when that is

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

is it all written by man? What about the religion of feminism, who wrote that?

Feminism is a social movement and mindset, not a religion but you already know what.

[Tom4784]

I despise religion equally but will stand up for one if I think people are hypocritical in picking and choosing which religions to hate when they've all inspired similar tragedies and crimes across the ages.

The truth is, if you wear a crucifix out in public, you are not really likely to be harassed in any way, if a muslim wears a burkha or other religious clothes then they have more of a chance of being victimised than a christian would on the grounds of their religion.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't even know when that is

It’s a moveable celebration like Easter, depends on the movement of the sun or something..

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It’s a moveable celebration like Easter, depends on the movement of the sun or something..

Yeah and there's 2 Eid celebrations

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I despise religion equally but will stand up for one if I think people are hypocritical in picking and choosing which religions to hate when they've all inspired similar tragedies and crimes across the ages.

The truth is, if you wear a crucifix out in public, you are not really likely to be harassed in any way, if a muslim wears a burkha or other religious clothes then they have more of a chance of being victimised than a christian would on the grounds of their religion.

tbf that hasn't started without a reason, Islam happens to be the only major religion with terrorist fundamentalists operating at the moment. However misguided, public backlash is understandable.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

tbf that hasn't started without a reason, Islam happens to be the only major religion with terrorist fundamentalists operating at the moment. However misguided, public backlash is understandable.

Good point, it was the same when the IRA were bombing the UK, the Irish catholics got it in the neck