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Old 01-08-2019, 08:23 AM #1
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Default Jeremy Corbyn in fresh anti-semitism row - Israel compared to the NAZIS

This on a day when he number of anti-Semitic incidents in Britain rose in the first half of the year,

according to a charity on Thursday that cited

alleged anti-Semitism in the opposition Labour party as a contributing factor.




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Jeremy Corbyn has been criticised for appearing at a pro-Palestine rally in
which protesters held banners comparing Israel to the Nazis.





The 2009 event, which the Labour leader spoke at, was also attended by
protesters who held banners branding the Jewish state “child killers” and
“thirsty for blood”.


Mr Corbyn was pictured near the front of the march, where one banner read:
"Gaza-21st Century Concentration Camp” and another called for a boycott of
Israel.

One placard on display at the Birmingham march read “Fascist State” – next

to an Israel flag with the Star of David turned into swastika, while another
had a star and the Nazi symbol, with “Holocost” written beside it.


Another showed leading Israeli figures next to a picture of Adolf Hitler, with the message “History repeats itself – stop the genocide”.



Senior Labour MP Dame Margaret Hodge told The Sun: “It’s appalling. You
have got to question why Jeremy chooses to spend his time with people who
have such a twisted world view and who are grossly anti-semitic.”


Labour Against Anti-Semitism said the images were "shocking" and condemned
Mr Corbyn for having "marched along with hate preachers" and being
"surrounded by visual representations of anti-Jewish racism".


A Labour party spokesman said: “Jeremy has a long and principled record of
support for Palestinian rights and human rights, and that is the right thing to
do.


“Like other politicians, he has attended many demonstrations, and is obviously
not responsible for the banners that other people bring along.”


https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...-anti-semitism
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On the one hand, he didn't exactly write those signs and place them in the hands of the attendees.

On the other ... what did he expect going to an event like that?
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Go wash your mouth out LT Corbyn is a fine upstanding man and not anti-Semitic nor a terrorist sympathsier
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On the one hand, he didn't exactly write those signs and place them in the hands of the attendees.

On the other ... what did he expect going to an event like that?
Even him turning up to something like this rings alarm bells Oliver
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serious question why is he so obsessed with palestine and israel - its nowt to do with us?
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serious question why is he so obsessed with palestine and israel - its nowt to do with us?
Yeah international politics schminternational politics, if it's not on our doorstep we're not interested .
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Yeah international politics schminternational politics, if it's not on our doorstep we're not interested .
yes but no other main politician is obsessed like this and i cant think of any other labour leaders?
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Ah so we’re still blaming him for other people’s actions? Got it
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it's a big issue when this guy could be our PM and he transfers his support of Palestinians into hate for a section of the community here. He has enabled and condoned antisemite behaviour here. People may say he just dislikes Israel. but that is no position for a leader of the western world to take either. We don't hate countries, that's not what we do. A world leader, which Corbyn could be, cannot be seen on marches that promote violence toward others while claiming to be a pacifist. Don't people see the immense hypocrisy?
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Also ‘fresh’ isn’t exactly something I’d use to describe something that happened 10 years ago
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Ah so we’re still blaming him for other people’s actions? Got it
if it was farage and some right wing thing would you post the same response

no


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You know what they say about assuming right?
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Corbyn's actions have definitely impacted on the number of anti--Semitic attacks in the UK. We are told CONSTANTLY that not all Muslims are terrorists. However, I'm hoping that Corbyn and the anti-Semitic enablers with which he is surrounded, will one day learn that not all Jews are Israelis. And even if we were, we still don't deserve to be singled out and abused. And I'm glad to say he will never be elected PM because he is a Jew hater.
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He’s a ‘Jew hater’ because he supports Palestine?
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He’s a ‘Jew hater’ because he supports Palestine?
Liam do you know why he is obsessed with Palestine?
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He’s a ‘Jew hater’ because he supports Palestine?
No, he's a Jew hater because he has stood idly by while British Jews have become the most attacked minority in the country on the strength of Labour's refusal to deal with the problem properly.
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Is it because he supports a lot of cultures where women are second class citizens?
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Liam do you know why he is obsessed with Palestine?
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No, he's a Jew hater because he has stood idly by while British Jews have become the most attacked minority in the country on the strength of Labour's refusal to deal with the problem properly.
So he hasn’t actually done anything to explain why he’s being called a Jew hater then? Seeing as he has a record of helping and protecting Jewish people and cemetaries, I don’t really get the notion that he hasn’t done anything, what has any other politician done to try and tackle the anti-semitism across the country, which you seem to be laying at the feet of Labour, even though it’s a pattern all across Europe, surely they can’t be blamed for that as well?
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So he hasn’t actually done anything to explain why he’s being called a Jew hater then? Seeing as he has a record of helping and protecting Jewish people and cemetaries, I don’t really get the notion that he hasn’t done anything, what has any other politician done to try and tackle the anti-semitism across the country, which you seem to be laying at the feet of Labour, even though it’s a pattern all across Europe, surely they can’t be blamed for that as well?
Well, for a start, he wanted to change the internationally recognised definition of anti-Semitism. Took Labour aaaaaages to sort that one out. They objected to not being able to criticise Israel. But that wasn't it at all.... you are allowed to criticise Israel just like you're able to criticise any other country.

What I find particularly frightening is that Labour supporters are backing him. They don't say, he's a brilliant politician, but he needs to tackle anti-Semitism. They make up all kinds of excuses for him. He wants the right to refer to Israel as a Nazi state while acting in a remarkably similar fashion to a Nazi where the Jews are concerned.
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Corbyn and others in relevant party positions must take responsibility for this situation.
Under his leadership antisemitism has been allowed to go unchallenged.
I hope the inquiry will assess the problem fairly and recommend steps to stop it.
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Dear me... you offer support to people and 10yrs later it's spun into something sinister :/
This really is getting silly now.
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This really is getting silly now.
Absolutely pathetic in my view Kizzy.

The problem is becoming to some, not on here I hastily add, that if Israel is criticised, that is seen by some as antisemitism.
It is not always separated.

I'd agree, Corbyn is a supporter of Palestine rights.
I wish the 2 nation set up was in place, I think it should be.

However I have always been a supporter of Israel and the difficulties it must have surrounded by Nations hostile to Israel.

I could support rights for Palestine as I could equally support rallies against condemning Israel.

If placards were held up at either claiming Palestinians or Israelis were acting like Nazis.
That's those individuals choices to be so divisive and destructive as to just causes.
Neither individuals carrying such placards are worthy of support.
It doesn't however alter the overall cause of a march.

Palestinians and Israelis are very volatile to each other.
Silly Nazi placards will never win arguments.
Nor will any using the word Nazis,in any shape or form either.

You are correct however, and in my view, this is a red herring and a very old one at that too.
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Absolutely pathetic in my view Kizzy.

The problem is becoming to some, not on here I hastily add, that if Israel is criticised, that is seen by some as antisemitism.
It is not always separated.

I'd agree, Corbyn is a supporter of Palestine rights.
I wish the 2 nation set up was in place, I think it should be.

However I have always been a supporter of Israel and the difficulties it must have surrounded by Nations hostile to Israel.

I could support rights for Palestine as I could equally support rallies against condemning Israel.

If placards were held up at either claiming Palestinians or Israelis were acting like Nazis.
That's those individuals choices to be so divisive and destructive as to just causes.
Neither individuals carrying such placards are worthy of support.
It doesn't however alter the overall cause of a march.

Palestinians and Israelis are very volatile to each other.
Silly Nazi placards will never win arguments.
Nor will any using the word Nazis,in any shape or form either.

You are correct however, and in my view, this is a red herring and a very old one at that too.
Well said.

Support for Palestine doesn't equate antisemitism
You can (and should) be supporting both nations and their right to land and peace.
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serious question why is he so obsessed with palestine and israel - its nowt to do with us?
And why is us or russia or eu?
It's an international problem bc of spheres of influence and jewish and arab minorities in those countries
Plus britain has extra interest for historical reasons

Why you asking such basic questions? Pretending not to know?

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And why is us or russia or eu?
It's an international problem bc of spheres of influence and jewish and arab minorities in those countries
Plus britain has extra interest for historical reasons

Why you asking such basic questions? Pretending not to know?
"And why is us or russia or eu?" 0Corbyn is one man i am not interested in countries or organisations

Its not an international anything, its a issue in the middle east that does not affect the UK

and as no one has attempted an answer i suspect no one knows why but it is very concerning
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