[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Nothing like a straight person trying to talk like authorities on sexualities they'll never truly understand.

Is heterosexual not a sexuality? ...

[The Slim Reaper]

Is a pansexual a happy lesbian as the thread title suggests?

[Niamh.]

Just for clarification is Pansexual - bisexual but includes trans people and if that's the case is there a seperate word for straight/gay but include trans men/women and if there is, isn't that transphobic and if there is not isn't pansexual transphobic?

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Is a pansexual a happy lesbian as the thread title suggests?

Yes Sums her UP

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Just for clarification is Pansexual - bisexual but includes trans people and if that's the case is there a seperate word for straight/gay but include trans men/women and if there is, isn't that transphobic and if there is not isn't pansexual transphobic?

Of Course the never ending variations
Bi Sexual is her current state.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Sums her UP

So only happy lesbians are pansexuals? What's a slightly perturbed lesbian called?

[smudgie]

Beggar the bliddy labels.
She is happy, that’s all that counts, surely.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...even your OP tweet states that she’s pansexual and you’ve completely ignored it in favour of a false thread title...?...

Added now.

Bi Sexual Layla Moran
is her correct current sate.

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

So only happy lesbians are pansexuals? What's a slightly perturbed lesbian called?

in need of help.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Is heterosexual not a sexuality? ...

It's considered the norm, heterosexuals can't really grasp what it's like to not be the norm, to be considered wrong by some for simply existing. Heteros like LT casting doubt on other sexualities will always be cringeworthy because he doesn't understand what he's talking about and he can't truly empathise with anything beyond his own circumstances.

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Just for clarification is Pansexual - bisexual but includes trans people and if that's the case is there a seperate word for straight/gay but include trans men/women and if there is, isn't that transphobic and if there is not isn't pansexual transphobic?

I take umbridge with the word 'pansexual' for this reason, really: it throws the blanket assumption that all people who identify as "bisexual" (or have done in the past) are inherently transphobic and unwilling to date people who are/have transitioned.

It's perfectly logical to just say that "bi-sex" means you're willing to date someone between the two biological sexes; it doesn't have anything to do with the construct of gender.

[parmnion]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

So only happy lesbians are pansexuals? What's a slightly perturbed lesbian called?

Rug scruncher

[Cherie]

Anyone who has been attracted to someone physically can understand sexuality, its not rocket science I am afraid, even little kids can follow stories about falling in love...lets not make it out to be some really difficult concept to follow...

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Just for clarification is Pansexual - bisexual but includes trans people and if that's the case is there a seperate word for straight/gay but include trans men/women and if there is, isn't that transphobic and if there is not isn't pansexual transphobic?

It's a load of nonsense, she's bisexual, simple as

Being willing to date transpeople doesn't need a separate label. Some straights, gays, and bis are open to trans, and some are not. They're still straight /gay/bi...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I take umbridge with the word 'pansexual' for this reason, really: it throws the blanket assumption that all people who identify as "bisexual" (or have done in the past) are inherently transphobic and unwilling to date people who are/have transitioned.

It's perfectly logical to just say that "bi-sex" means you're willing to date someone between the two biological sexes; it doesn't have anything to do with the construct of gender.

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It's a load of nonsense, she's bisexual, simple as

Being willing to date transpeople doesn't need a separate label. Some straights, gays, and bis are open to trans, and some are not. They're still straight /gay/bi...

Yeah, seems more like a label to "Anti" other people or tell everyone how inclusive they are

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

no

"Layla Moran said she had previously only had relationships with men"


So she started off straight and converted to a lesbian later in life and now she has decided to be a pansexual id imagine as it is sounds a littler edgier

No she was a bisexual woman in a relationship with a man.

What kind of stupid logic you have.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Anyone who has been attracted to someone physically can understand sexuality, its not rocket science I am afraid, even little kids can follow stories about falling in love...lets not make it out to be some really difficult concept to follow...

Well you would think Cherie, but evidently some people struggle.

Either that or purposely pretending to misunderstand.

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I take umbridge with the word 'pansexual' for this reason, really: it throws the blanket assumption that all people who identify as "bisexual" (or have done in the past) are inherently transphobic and unwilling to date people who are/have transitioned.

It's perfectly logical to just say that "bi-sex" means you're willing to date someone between the two biological sexes; it doesn't have anything to do with the construct of gender.

Amen brother. Being bi really means what it means: being attracted to both sexes, and/or to people who are non-binary. It has nothing to do with how you got that gender in the first place or later on.

And for those who are keep asking the same question: no, us bi people don't have twice has much choice as people only attracted to one gender lmao
If anything I did find it hard to position myself when I was younger.

[Captain.Remy]

And in the end I'm happy for her whatever or whoever she is. Just be you, go out there and have fun with whoever you find pleasing. And don't put too many labels on yourself.
Bi, gay, straights, trans, whoever, we're all going to hell anyway so

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's considered the norm, heterosexuals can't really grasp what it's like to not be the norm, to be considered wrong by some for simply existing. Heteros LT casting doubt on other sexualities will always be cringeworthy because he doesn't understand what he's talking about and he can't truly empathise with anything beyond his own circumstances.

I'm getting bored of all the things I can't have a view on...
Who's to say that any other sexualities can empathise?
Everyone's experience is unique to them from the particular people they are atracted to, their family, culture, age, religion, creed no two persons can fully identify.
It's over simplified to say oh you are bi you get me...

Obviously I'm not saying LT is anything but cringe worthy, however I don't think you should write all heterosexuals off fir being the norm, that language perpetuates division at a time when barriers should be coming down.

[Liam-]

Turns out that she only came out because a ‘journalist’ from the Mail was going to do it for her and she wanted it to be on her own terms, our media is a disgrace

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm getting bored of all the things I can't have a view on...
Who's to say that any other sexualities can empathise?
Everyone's experience is unique to them from the particular people they are atracted to, their family, culture, age, religion, creed no two persons can fully identify.
It's over simplified to say oh you are bi you get me...

Obviously I'm not saying LT is anything but cringe worthy, however I don't think you should write all heterosexuals off fir being the norm, that language perpetuates division at a time when barriers should be coming down.

I'm not saying you can't have a view on anything, that's not my style but you'll never truly understand the journey and the pain that non-straight people go through. You can empathise but how can someone understand what it's like growing up thinking that their parents will cast them out if anyone finds out something about themselves that heterosexuals don't even have to think about. You have to think about everything, consider everything you do and worry about whether or not you can 'pass' for straight.

Imagine making friends while thinking in the back of your mind 'would these people reject me or worse, cause me harm if they knew the truth?' and apply that to everyone, every social interaction is a trial and you fear everything and everyone. You don't ever let people close, you can't afford, you've got to be on guard at every waking second because you feel like if you breathe and take a moment, it'll all fall apart. That's just a little bit of what it's like growing up not straight.

LT disrespected the journey this woman has gone through to be at peace with herself and he did that because, as a hetero, he can never understand the pain of that journey. It is not something he would ever think about normally because his heterosexuality will likely ever cause him as much anguish as the sexuality of a non-straight person would cause them.

I'm a man, I'm never going to experience childbirth like you have but what you're essentially trying to argue for is essentially comparable to me mansplaining childbirth to you or anyone else that has physically gone through it. I can understand the process, I can understand the procedures involved, I will never understand what an expectant mother goes through, I can empathise from a distance, but I will never truly understand it from their perspective. It's the best comparison I can make to help you understand where I'm coming from.

Originally Posted by Cherie

Anyone who has been attracted to someone physically can understand sexuality, its not rocket science I am afraid, even little kids can follow stories about falling in love...lets not make it out to be some really difficult concept to follow...

You can understand heterosexuality, you can't understand the journey for non-straight kids and how it runs deeper than love stories in a book or a film.

[Kizzy]

Well I respect that and it makes perfect sense in that context, . With any luck our culture will continue to evolve and less and less young people will feel that stigma.
Of course heterosexuals won't experience that anguish or comprehend how it feels.
An understanding of that struggle and an awareness of how it may impact is enough. We don't have to dismiss all those who haven't experienced this life as some charmed sub group.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Just for clarification is Pansexual - bisexual but includes trans people and if that's the case is there a seperate word for straight/gay but include trans men/women and if there is, isn't that transphobic and if there is not isn't pansexual transphobic?

Pansexual is sexual attraction to the mind, not the body - so usually includes all genders... but not because of their gender

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Pansexual is sexual attraction to the mind, not the body - so usually includes all genders... but not because of their gender

How is that different to bi sexual though? That's basically saying they're attracted to a person's personality, alot of people straight, gay or bi are like that too?