[Crimson Dynamo]

An interesting example :

An economics professor at Texas Tech said he had never failed a single
student before but had, once, failed an entire class. The class had insisted
that socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be
rich, a great equaliser. The professor then said ok, we will have an experiment
in this class on socialism. All grades would be averaged and everyone would
receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A.

After the first test the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The
students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little
were happy. But, as the second test rolled around, the students who studied
little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they
wanted a free ride too; so they studied little

The second Test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test
rolled around the average was an F. The scores never increased as bickering,
blame, name calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for
anyone else. All failed to their great surprise and the professor told them that
socialism would ultimately fail because the harder to succeed the greater the
reward, but when a government takes all the reward away; no one will try or
succeed



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thoughts?

[MTVN]

Under/over 15 pages on this thread by 3pm?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

An interesting example :

An economics professor at Texas Tech said he had never failed a single
student before but had, once, failed an entire class. The class had insisted
that socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be
rich, a great equaliser. The professor then said ok, we will have an experiment
in this class on socialism. All grades would be averaged and everyone would
receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A.

After the first test the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The
students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little
were happy. But, as the second test rolled around, the students who studied
little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they
wanted a free ride too; so they studied little

The second Test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test
rolled around the average was an F. The scores never increased as bickering,
blame, name calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for
anyone else. All failed to their great surprise and the professor told them that
socialism would ultimately fail because the harder to succeed the greater the
reward, but when a government takes all the reward away; no one will try or
succeed



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thoughts?

- Albert Einstein, 2007


Source please LT or I shall assume this "socialist class experiment" is a work of fiction someone wrote on Facebook .

[Kizzy]

A theory based in fiction not fact.

[arista]

Yes it is Failed
Doctrine.
That's why Blair was a Neo Conservative.

[Marsh.]

Sorry..... a theory based on lazy kids?

[Livia]

I think it#s like, an analogy, Marshy. Everyone got the same no matter how hard they worked. Geddit?

[The Slim Reaper]

Coming up tomorrow on facebook parables, we'll be putting Leninism to the test with the aid of some goldfish.

[Beso]

Wern't that Jones town lot a bunch of socialists.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Wern't that Jones town lot a bunch of socialists.

Parm... your avi...LOL...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I think it#s like, an analogy, Marshy. Everyone got the same no matter how hard they worked. Geddit?

I got it fine. Just don't think it's a valid one.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

I think it#s like, an analogy, Marshy. Everyone got the same no matter how hard they worked. Geddit?

I love a good analogy as much as the next TiBB arsehole but LT has framed it as something that actually happened, rather than as the fictional cautionary tale it clearly is .

Also it doesn't even make sense as a cautionary tale for communism (I'm going to call it communism because the conflation of communism and socialism is an annoying Americanism) because what would actually happen after the "D grade" test is that the class would get a scare and - presuming they DO care about failing - would up their game on the next test, not just give in to failure, and would probably end up settling in a "C's-for-everyone" scenario over time. Which is a perfectly valid and more accurate allegory for the dangers of communism - flat mediocrity, not critical failure. No need to screech about "Everyone getting an F!!!" ... that's not what happens.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Socialism: You have two cows. The government takes one and gives it to your neighbour.

Communism: You have two cows. You give them to the government, and the government then gives you some milk.

Fascism: You have two cows. You give them to the government, and the government then sells you some milk.

Capitalism: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.

Nazism: You have two cows. The government takes both and shoots you.

Labour: You have 2 cows. One looks a little jewish so you sell that. The other one you send to a private farm to be better brought up whilst arguing that state farms are the way forward.

[Cherie]

Teach your kids about socialism by making them clean the bathroom then, pay them 10 dollars, take 7 of those dollars and give those seven dollars to their sibling who didn't work I bet your child won't be a socialist for long.

That one is from FB

[Kizzy]

Coming up tomorrow an interesting example of a successful doctrine.

We give one student the rights to a medication that the rest of the students need to stay alive, the student is charging Ł1000 a month for the medication.
The other students can't afford it and they all die.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Socialism: You have two cows. The government takes one and gives it to your neighbour.

Communism: You have two cows. You give them to the government, and the government then gives you some milk.

Fascism: You have two cows. You give them to the government, and the government then sells you some milk.

Capitalism: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.

Nazism: You have two cows. The government takes both and shoots you.

Labour: You have 2 cows. One looks a little jewish so you sell that. The other one you send to a private farm to be better brought up whilst arguing that state farms are the way forward.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Coming up tomorrow an interesting example of a successful doctrine.

We give one student the rights to a medication that the rest of the students need to stay alive, the student is charging Ł1000 a month for the medication.
The other students can't afford it and they all die.

they should have bought insurance


remember students, plan for your future

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I got it fine. Just don't think it's a valid one.

You probably don't understand it, Marshy x

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I love a good analogy as much as the next TiBB arsehole but LT has framed it as something that actually happened, rather than as the fictional cautionary tale it clearly is .

Also it doesn't even make sense as a cautionary tale for communism (I'm going to call it communism because the conflation of communism and socialism is an annoying Americanism) because what would actually happen after the "D grade" test is that the class would get a scare and - presuming they DO care about failing - would up their game on the next test, not just give in to failure, and would probably end up settling in a "C's-for-everyone" scenario over time. Which is a perfectly valid and more accurate allegory for the dangers of communism - flat mediocrity, not critical failure. No need to screech about "Everyone getting an F!!!" ... that's not what happens.

No, not everyone gets an F... because some are more equal than others.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Teach your kids about socialism by making them clean the bathroom then, pay them 10 dollars, take 7 of those dollars and give those seven dollars to their sibling who didn't work I bet your child won't be a socialist for long.

That one is from FB

Yes it's fairly obvious that it was written by some twat on facebook.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Teach your kids about socialism by making them clean the bathroom then, pay them 10 dollars, take 7 of those dollars and give those seven dollars to their sibling who didn't work I bet your child won't be a socialist for long.

That one is from FB

I like that one LOL...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes it's fairly obvious that it was written by some twat on facebook.

instead of some twat on TiBB?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes it's fairly obvious that it was written by some twat on facebook.

try it on your daughters, see how it works out for you

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

instead of some twat on TiBB?

I thought you liked LT?...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

No, not everyone gets an F... because some are more equal than others.

True, but in most real-world examples of communism most of the class would get a C whilst two or three students would get an A+ because they have a personal link to the professor.

But then, that mostly applies to Capitalist systems too... most get a B, C or D... an F if they get unlucky... and the professor's mates get an A++++++++++.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

You probably don't understand it, Marshy x

I'm not Cherie.