[Toy Soldier]

Well actually when I say "never" that's a bit pessimistic - I actually do quite firmly believe that eventually there will be developments in nanotechnology that will serve as a 100% effective cure for all viruses and bacterial infections (and parasites etc.). A "technological panacea", basically. But we're talking 50+ years before we start seeing major developments for something like that I think.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm afraid that's highly unlikely to ever happen Joey, this disease is most likely going to become a "normal" endemic disease eventually... it's highly unlikely that it will ever be eradicated entirely... about 20,000 people die of the flu in the UK every year (that's between 50 and 55 per day, but as most are during a the winter months the actual flu season death rate is more like 100 deaths per day) not to mention various other viruses and contagious bacterial infections. Those numbers are obviously not reported on a daily basis, and that will eventually be the case with Covid, too. Covid being eradicated is an unlikely as the flu or common cold being eradicated (i.e. impossible given how far it has spread now).

Which is why I don't crow.
At any deaths of anything.
Oh you're going to hate me for this post coming up TS.

Right now however, there are thousands who would have survived flu, while never being able to survive this virus.
So with this have lost their lives BEFORE their time.

So I'm unlikely to ever be crowing really.

I neither see still rising deaths of any condition as anything to crow about either anyway.
The only time I see nature taking its course is the loss of life to old age.
Even that is crushing even at that time.

However, when you know, that but for more planning, care and protection equipment, better testing and much more of it enacted quickly..
That deaths could and should have been avoided.

The crushing element of loss is even more devastating.

Hearing the stories of how these thousands have died.
With none of their relatives at their side..
With relatives not even able to visit them.
Never mind close friends.

Then not able to go to their funerals also.

To be left with that emptiness, pain and anger plus hurt, that with more protection more could and should have been saved.
Then this virus really has been something else.

Any deaths of this still, whether they be single figures or three figures.
Are nothing to be applauded as to the figures of them.
As no deaths are.
Especially following the thousands that have gone, as even this inept PM stated, before their time.

Nurses in the front line, with not the right or enough protection equipment for weeks at least, who then lost their lives to this.
The elderly failed in care homes..
Homes they went to to be safer than at their own home.
Then infected by those released in panic from hospital with no testing to see if they had the virus.

Then infecting other residents and even the care staff employed there too.

Sorry, for me, that is and should be a national scandal.
I know I'm like a broken record.
I've lost 4 people in my life to this.
One was 31, another was 39, one was 65 and the last one was 77 ( my own Mum's sister).
Only one had a serious illness condition before they got this virus.
He was taken to hospital to be treated for that other health condition.
Then contracted this virus IN hospital.

Nobody tell me this is nature catching up.
I think that's dangerous talk.

Plus if I've been a broken record on this issue.
Which perhaps I best shut up about this issue on here from now.
Well I'm a lot more easy in my mind being my broken record.
Than looking for excuses for this government and calling still rising deaths of this virus,good news.

Sorry TS you made a very valid point to me..
I've used it to play my broken record again.
My apologies.

[Toy Soldier]

No I get what you're saying Joey, lives are always going to be lost to illness but that doesn't excuse or lessen the face that additional lives have been lost due to the government's carelessness and heel-dragging, nor does it excuse any additional deaths going forward due to people being selfish or reckless.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

No I get what you're saying Joey, lives are always going to be lost to illness but that doesn't excuse or lessen the face that additional lives have been lost due to the government's carelessness and heel-dragging, nor does it excuse any additional deaths going forward due to people being selfish or reckless.

Thank you very much TS.

It's just I do think I really am too personally close to this issue with the losses of my own loved ones.
So I think my views are well known as is my dismay at the colder reactions to lives lost.

My points are well documented on here.
Often repeated.

I intend to in my work assist any who have grievances of lost loved ones due to the dangerous risks put in place,by this government of its deceit on protection equipment.
It's failure to keep testing going.
Then the distorted deceitful presentation of the actual people being tested.
Plus it's denial and lack of knowledge, with even a care Minister not even knowing the numbers of deaths in Care homes.

All after the forewarning at end of January and early February of what was coming as seen in Italy and elsewhere.

Scandalous and unforgivable.
Right that's my last word on this thread.
For a while anyhow.

[arista]

[arista]

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: if there will be more cases again, there will be local lockdowns taking rather than a national lockdown

government had decided with local communities and their mayors


they worry now especially since youth are gonna hold ''summer party's'' again which is bad for these current times

[Nicky91]

Netherlands: climb in number of new cases in the Rotterdam area

[arista]

UK Deaths Today : 138


UK Total Covid-19 Deaths : 44,968


Additional Data:
[Total number of lab-confirmed UK cases
291,373
Total number of people who have had a positive test result]

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[arista]

[Vanessa]

Mmm. Let's hope things improve when wearing masks will be mandatory.
At the moment I'm a a bit worried

[The Slim Reaper]

Prayers up for Sir Dezza

[MTVN]

The overall daily deaths is frequently about three or four times higher than the hospital ones atm. Only 30 out of 138 deaths today were hospitals and the 7 day rolling average of hospital deaths is now 27 compared to the overall 7 day rolling average of 82. Presumably the vast majority of these extra deaths are happening in care homes?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The overall daily deaths is frequently about three or four times higher than the hospital ones atm. Only 30 out of 138 deaths today were hospitals and the 7 day rolling average of hospital deaths is now 27 compared to the overall 7 day rolling average of 82. Presumably the vast majority of these extra deaths are happening in care homes?

Yes, it looks like it.

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[Ammi]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Prayers up for Sir Dezza

...Lordy, Lord...disclaimer: COVID apologises for any inconvenience caused...

[Nicky91]

first suspect arrested today, from the anti-covid-measures rioters group in June


https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/0...-law-proposal/

also our government decided, tougher punishments for attacks on frontline workers, jail sentences to be handed out quicker then

[bitontheslide]

The rate of coronavirus infections in England was significantly reduced before lockdown eased in May, according to a government-commissioned study.

Imperial College research showed there were on average 13 positive cases for every 10,000 people and the reproduction number - or R - was 0.57.

The R number was estimated to be between 0.7 and 1 at the time.

The study of 120,000 volunteers also suggested young adults aged 18 to 24 were more likely to test positive.

Health Secretary Matt Hancock said the findings showed the impact of lockdown.

He said: "As a country we have made great strides towards beating this virus but we mustn't take our foot off the pedal, and such studies will be vital as we continue to fight this virus."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53414363

[Vanessa]

I feel sorry for shopkeepers, they're going to get so much hassle from those who don't want to wear masks.

[Ammi]

...I don’t know if other countries get such conflicting information, but these things don’t help when trying to follow guidelines but also understanding why those guidelines are in place, that’s really important to the following of...

...not being in close contact has always included being defined as "being within approximately 6 feet (2 meters) of a COVID-19 case for a prolonged period of time."...and indeed, someone in the same house with symptoms would immediately isolate from the rest of the household...yet now, Matt Hancock has said that mask wearing is more for those with more fleeting contact...like on public transport, in a shop etc...because transference is less likely with people we are in close contact with more often...as in, in an office or a school etc..../..just so inconsistent, this information ...and that will only serve to be made to feel as though it’s being ‘moulded to fit to size’....


...I mean for instance, I’m fine with schools returning to their full class sizes as soon as possible for instance because I know that’s very necessary...and I think most school staff are the same...but I want accurate and truthful information so that we can all risk assess around that and atm, I feel a lack of confidence in the information we’re being given and it’s constant shifting and changing...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I feel sorry for shopkeepers, they're going to get so much hassle from those who don't want to wear masks.

...and it will be on the shopkeepers, just an extra stress...because the police have said that it would be too difficult to police...