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Originally Posted by Cherie

If you watched Countryfile yesterday they touched on the pubs being opened, and the whole host of businesses that rely on them being opened, distilleries, craft brewers, farmers ....its not just whey hey lets get a pint, there are livelihoods at stake here

better for young people to gather in a pub where their details are taken rather than in a field with a bottle of cider or at a rave

Good point I forgot about the other day. I heard someone saying yesterday that the overwhelming majority of new infections are taking place in households atm, that's where social distancing really does go out the window along with a lot of precautions around sanitising and good hygiene. Bar a few neglectful landlords, the vast majority of pubs are enforcing all of this rigorously as they have good reason to because they know they'll be closed if they don't. They also know exactly who has been there and when making it one of the easiest things to track and trace.

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[joeysteele]

Probably some, just some I hasten to stress, of those after the pubs are heading to others and their own homes and not observing the precautions after a few drinks, throwing possibly a bit of caution to the wind.

Hence more infections in home areas..

I could of course be well and truly wrong as to any of that 'but' it's not impossible.

No one who'd been to a pub for a few drinks would get in my house for certain at present.
Family or otherwise.

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Last 7 days number of deaths in English hospitals:

7 (July 28th)
4
3
1
5
2
5 (today)

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Coronavirus: Hays Travel to cut up to 878 jobs

[Owners John and Irene Hays blamed the government's
advice against all non-essential travel to Spain
and the changes in furlough conditions,
saying these two things had left them with "no choice".]

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...-jobs-12041756

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Today 9 Died

UK Total of Covid-19 Deaths: 46,210

Additional data:
[Daily number of lab-confirmed UK cases
938

Number of additional cases on Monday 3 August 2020]

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[Samm]

It’s more cases we should be looking at now then deaths. I can’t see the number of tests being performed anymore? Are they still releasing them

[joeysteele]

So out of around 400 deaths to this virus in the last week alone.
Why are only 27 dying in hospital.

Are no others of those around 400 losing their lives last week, capable of even being tried to save.

Hospitals now aren't overrun.
Why are only under 10% of the rising number of deaths, in hospitals!!

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Samm

It’s more cases we should be looking at now then deaths. I can’t see the number of tests being performed anymore? Are they still releasing them

I think they release it weekly on a Thursday, I saw someone say that last week the percentage of people testing positive fell in pillar 1 tests (hospitals) but rose in pillar 2 community testing

Originally Posted by joeysteele

So out of around 400 deaths to this virus in the last week alone.
Why are only 27 dying in hospital.

Are no others of those around 400 losing their lives last week, capable of even being tried to save.

Hospitals now aren't overrun.
Why are only under 10% of the rising number of deaths, in hospitals!!

May well be due to the issue in PHE reporting where its listed as a Covid death even if their positive test was months ago

[bitontheslide]

The deaths outside of hospital can only really fall under a few categories

1. Causes after catching covid in the past
2. Sudden deterioration where hospitalisation wasn't possible
3. Other reasons unexplained

Given the long term effect covid can have to general health, I would guess most fall into the first category. Also, elderly/vulnerable people may have recovered from covid and succumbed to existing issues.

I'm not convinced that we should stop counting covid deaths after 3 months recovery either. I would rather the stats were there for future analysis

[joeysteele]

Something smells about the whole set up I think.

If someone elderly has symptoms, any difficulty breathing, why are they NOT in hospital anyway.

Isn't that what hospitals are for to ease suffering too and ensure all is done to save a life.
Who is deciding who gets to hospital, and intensive care with a ventilator too if needed.

This strikes up more questions from my original one.

Or are people just being allowed to die with nothing done to help them.
Because they can't have intensive care in Care homes or their own homes.

Plus let's have some honesty on figures for once.
With the real figures.
Also just where, when and why there are deaths still in the hundreds.
With so few in hospital.
Under any circumstances relating to this virus.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Something smells about the whole set up I think.

If someone elderly has symptoms, any difficulty breathing, why are they NOT in hospital anyway.

Isn't that what hospitals are for to ease suffering too and ensure all is done to save a life.
Who is deciding who gets to hospital, and intensive care with a ventilator too if needed.

This strikes up more questions from my original one.

Or are people just being allowed to die with nothing done to help them.
Because they can't have intensive care in Care homes or their own homes.

Plus let's have some honesty on figures for once.
With the real figures.
Also just where, when and why there are deaths still in the hundreds.
With so few in hospital.
Under any circumstances relating to this virus.

Many elderly people in care homes are DNR (do not resuscitate). They wouldn't go to hospital if they had Covid they would be allowed to die. That's not a Covid thing; they would be allowed to die peacefully of any cause.

Aggressive medical interventions/intubation on, say, a 90 year old in a care home who has dementia and cancer isn't just unnecessary, it's bordering on cruel.

[Zizu]

A woman on LBC radio just claimed that where she lives in Leeds nobody is taking the virus seriously and walking around the place you’d never know there was a pandemic YET she claims it’s the opposite in ‘well to do’ Harrogate where it’s being taken tremendously seriously by the council and all the people ..

She’s suggesting that it’s a ‘class’ mentality ...


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[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Many elderly people in care homes are DNR (do not resuscitate). They wouldn't go to hospital if they had Covid they would be allowed to die. That's not a Covid thing; they would be allowed to die peacefully of any cause.

Aggressive medical interventions/intubation on, say, a 90 year old in a care home who has dementia and cancer isn't just unnecessary, it's bordering on cruel.

Well, I'd still like to know from official reliable sources that was the case.

Of course it makes sense, however not all the deaths are 90 year olds.

I think we need more not less of the finer detail of these deaths.
Yes, if the heart stops do not resuscitate.
However, there's a lot of suffering breathing wise with this virus.

That would likely need more attentive and end of life care, which frankly Care homes cannot provide the very best of.
Just my view.

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[Ammi]

The UK has recorded 938 new cases of coronavirus in a 24 hour period - the highest amount to be confirmed in 24 hours since June 26, six weeks ago...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/uk-records...183640814.html

[bitontheslide]

The number of cases has sat at around a thousand a day for a while. There is a small rise which is shown in the graphs I posted a couple of days ago which is what led to the comment about us reaching a threshold for what could be opened up again. The evidence suggests that it is people not social distancing when visiting others homes, hence the action in Manchester.

The big worry really is that when we get to October it will be a lot worse with more indoor interactions

[Nicky91]

now as of today i discovered my dad is also a hardcore anti-masker


anti-maskers = murderers


we need to get rid of these dumb idiots somehow, silence them, what do i care about their ''freedom of speech'' moans, you are allowed to have own opinion, but everyone should know Health comes first, and people who think otherwise are just murderers then if they won't wear face masks

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

now as of today i discovered my dad is also a hardcore anti-masker


anti-maskers = murderers


we need to get rid of these dumb idiots somehow, silence them, what do i care about their ''freedom of speech'' moans, you are allowed to have own opinion, but everyone should know Health comes first, and people who think otherwise are just murderers then if they won't wear face masks

...Nicky...use the opportunity for a discussion with your dad, so that you can share your thoughts with each other...don’t condemn him...