[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...Nicky...use the opportunity for a discussion with your dad, so that you can share your thoughts with each other…don’t condemn him...

those people can't listen, they call us the Gestapo or the SS ''taking away their freedom'' blah blah blah that sort of ****


at least these current times you really get to know people so well

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

now as of today i discovered my dad is also a hardcore anti-masker


anti-maskers = murderers


we need to get rid of these dumb idiots somehow, silence them, what do i care about their ''freedom of speech'' moans, you are allowed to have own opinion, but everyone should know Health comes first, and people who think otherwise are just murderers then if they won't wear face masks

Make him close all windows and doors and take away his fan when he is sleeping downstairs he must be punished

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

those people can't listen, they call us the Gestapo or the SS ''taking away their freedom'' blah blah blah that sort of ****


at least these current times you really get to know people so well

....I don’t know your age, Nicky, but you’ve had many years with your dad ‘knowing him well’...his views on mask wearing won’t change the dad you know so well...but it’s a good opening for a conversation to be had because the entire population of countries were never going to completely agree on something, so trying to gain understanding is important also...’those people can’t listen..’....and yet you appear to be dismissing any listening/any conversation....anyways I must go, you have a good day, Nicky...

[bitontheslide]

The issue is not about mask wearing, it's about civil liberties. Everyone has a different threshold for deciding when their civil liberty is being invaded. In a democracy people will fight against being told what to do and the more restrictions that are imposed the more they will rebel. Lockdowns and restrictions are not sustainable whether we like that or not.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The issue is not about mask wearing, it's about civil liberties. Everyone has a different threshold for deciding when their civil liberty is being invaded. In a democracy people will fight against being told what to do and the more restrictions that are imposed the more they will rebel. Lockdowns and restrictions are not sustainable whether we like that or not.

our health is very important, shame when not everyone understands that


those masks ok, not proven if they help or do not help, but it is still better than nothing, it will still protect you a bit more than wearing nothing

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

our health is very important, shame when not everyone understands that





those masks ok, not proven if they help or do not help, but it is still better than nothing, it will still protect you a bit more than wearing nothing

Unless they offer no protection as the virus particles are minuscule ( 250,000 on a pinhead ) .

Some experts say that when you wear one you naturally put your guard down somewhat which is dangerous


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[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

The UK has recorded 938 new cases of coronavirus in a 24 hour period - the highest amount to be confirmed in 24 hours since June 26, six weeks ago...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/uk-records...183640814.html

I know I'm like a broken record on this.
I guess I'm irritated more because of those I've lost to this from my life.
It changes your perspective of this vile virus once you've lost even just one person to it, who you were close to,be it family, friend or even neighbour.
Work colleague too.

I just do not trust any figures.
We know from the ONS, who the government quotes when it suits them to.
That the deaths are far higher.
Also that the infection rate is far higher than what the government are presenting.

Their track and trace system apparently, even at the last information, was not, NOT able to contact almost a quarter of those who'd been in contact with a sufferer of this virus.
Or wouldn't isolate.

We are being treated like mushrooms, kept in a dark corner and shovelled with s....e.

We need the science and the information, all of it available, to be presented in full to the public.
This is our health and the going to and fro , doing this doing that,deceitful reactive policy to this virus from Johnson and co is insulting.

As for civil liberties, well people should be, and be able to feel safe going about their business and their cities.
People, if they really are trusted with real facts and truth, DO conform to doing anything that's necessary to protect themselves and others.

A minority don't.

In war we do have to do as we are told, it's vital that's the case.
This is a more like war issue, however against an enemy we cannot see or even hear.
So it is a full duty to make sure as best as possible..
All are safe as possible but to ensure all vulnerable people, are made aware of the horrific danger of getting this virus.
Then ensuring they are completely, as few risks as possible taken with their welfare.

That's the duty of all in any Nation and it's the duty of those in power, no matter who they are..
To ensure NO risks are taken.

Something, I'm sorry to say, and something I'd be saying if it was Labour, Lib Dem or a coalition of 2 or more parties in government not just this Con one and they'd been as this government has been.
That far from real protection this government with it's confusing, contradictory messaging.
All its failures leading to unnecessary further losses of lives.
Have NOT made sure risks aren't taken and haven't protected either.

We have 2 of the worst individuals possible leading this nightmare, the totally in my view, discredited ages ago Health secretary Hancock and this impossible to almost understand PM.

Shameful and scandalous.

The figures are deceit, pure deceit.
Statistics to suit, when it suits.
We don't really know any real figures on testing or deaths even.
Disgraceful.
In my view.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Unless they offer no protection as the virus particles are minuscule ( 250,000 on a pinhead ) .

Some experts say that when you wear one you naturally put your guard down somewhat which is dangerous


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they do offer some form of protection, more than not wearing a mask

[bitontheslide]

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

they do offer some form of protection, more than not wearing a mask

They do offer protection, that's obvious and should be to all.

I agree some people do get closer when wearing them.
However, I have seen near full compliance in the Stores and shops I use occasionally.

May I say Nicky.
Please don't be so hard on your Dad.
He may be unwise to not wear a facecovering.
Just try to gently from your own example, show how important you believe they are.

Hopefully he'll come round and learn from you.

I've battled in my own family to get people to wear facecoverings.

I actually used a likely bad example to one, saying if someone was definitely going to spit in their face, would they rather they did it, without a mask on, or with one on.

The answer was clear, for the latter.
They now wear a facecovering at least.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

The UK has recorded 938 new cases of coronavirus in a 24 hour period - the highest amount to be confirmed in 24 hours since June 26, six weeks ago...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/uk-records...183640814.html

Yes if many are younger people
it could mean less death.

[Nicky91]

Farms have been doing quite well now too here in Netherlands, i mean more people than ever before want to buy fresh fruit, veg there, how they prefer that to being in supermarkets, mostly elderly anyway

there was a nice report by our late night news show Hart van Nederland about this

even some are allowed to help collecting all sorts of berries in the field with correct distance between people of course, but in those fields that is very easy to do

[MTVN]

UK coronavirus deaths dropped by 26 percent in just one week, new figures from the Office of National Statistics (ONS) show.

In the week ending July 24 (week 30), 217 registered deaths mentioned Covid-19, a significant drop compared to 295 the week before.

It was the lowest number of deaths involving Covid-19 in the last 18 weeks.

It was also a 26.4% decrease compared with week 29, when there were 295 deaths, accounting for 2.4% of all deaths in England and Wales.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...26#source=push

[joeysteele]

Interesting.
Well those ONS figures just shows the confusion we are getting.

Because that's at odds with the government's figures which in this case is higher.

What it doesn't change one bit is still hundreds losing their lives weekly.

Funny how the ONS figures get poo pooed usually.
Because they've been always higher than the government's usually.

It gave a damning report on our deaths tally in relation to the rest of Europe.
I didn't see much agreeing with those findings.

I'll stick to my line that hundreds of deaths still happening weekly,leave thousands devastated and mourning those losses too.
Which for me is shocking that we are still recording hundreds of deaths.

It can be dressed up selectively all anyone likes.
It's devastating losses for many.

I am content to probably follow more the ONS figures.
Although I don't believe we have been told the truth and still aren't being told it.

Over 200 to just under 400 deaths are still hundreds of deaths weekly, even after all this time and a lockdown.
That's people's lives lost, peoples Grandparents, Parents, families, friends, work colleagues and neighbours.
No matter how it gets dressed up, that's the fact.

[MTVN]

ONS stats always going to be the most accurate imo as they have a bit of time to fully analyse the stats whereas the daily figures are a bit all over the place. I've no issue with using the ONS as the most reliable source including when they reflect badly on us, think I've posted their excess death figures a few times

[Toy Soldier]

I think we're at a point now where it's far more scientific to look at properly compiled statistical data rather than daily figures. Early on you can't do that because there isn't broad enough data to show anything meaningful, and so the best you have is whatever raw data is at hand. But we're coming up on 6 months into this thing now, so we can really start relying more on more robust data analysis and not simplicities like "yesterday was X, today is Y"

[The Slim Reaper]

Boris was right, we've been world leading. Can't believe I ever doubted him or Dom.

[bitontheslide]

Authorities in the Australian city of Melbourne have warned of a "dangerous" rise in people resisting lockdown measures, sometimes violently.

Police said this trend included so-called "sovereign citizens" - who espouse an anti-government ideology - confronting officers.

In one case a woman repeatedly smashed a policewoman's head into the ground.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-53645759

[Nicky91]

i know most already suffered through a first lockdown ok, but if lockdown measures are required to battle this virus what is very life-threatening

common sense would suggest it would be dumb to resist those measures


also beating a policewoman's head in the ground is disgusting

[arista]

As of Friday 500 tests
came back with 64 infected with Covid-19
in Swindon
working at the big distribution of Iceland Food stores.
The Car Park has a testing tent
so they can keep trading.


SkyNewsHD

[arista]

800 jobs to be cut
at PC World /Currys stores
And Dixons /Carphone Warehouse
due to Covid-19.

https://news.sky.com/story/dixons-ca...anges-12042244

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Authorities in the Australian city of Melbourne have warned of a "dangerous" rise in people resisting lockdown measures, sometimes violently.

Police said this trend included so-called "sovereign citizens" - who espouse an anti-government ideology - confronting officers.

In one case a woman repeatedly smashed a policewoman's head into the ground.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-53645759

That bunch would be right wing, brexit, galahad's over here. Says a lot.

[arista]

Today 89 have Died

Total UK Covid-19 deaths : 46,299

The Site has Changed
https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/

[LeatherTrumpet]

89 who would have had pneumonia on their death certs this time last year?

[arista]

Blackburn & Darwin Council
has had to set up its own Track and trace
Going Door to Door in some cases.

As National System has Failed.

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